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The Once and Future Republic of Vermont
Washington Post Op-Ed ^ | April 1, 2007 | Ian Baldwin and Frank Bryan

Posted on 04/01/2007 2:11:31 AM PDT by Timeout

Vermont was once an independent republic, and it can be one again. We think the time to make that happen is now. Over the past 50 years, the U.S. government has grown too big, too corrupt and too aggressive toward the world, toward its own citizens and toward local democratic institutions. It has abandoned the democratic vision of its founders and eroded Americans' fundamental freedoms.

Vermont did not join the Union to become part of an empire.

Some of us therefore seek permission to leave.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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OK, I know the first instinct is to say "Be our guest...there's the door!". 2 fewer lib senators would be just one of the many reasons to cheer their secession.

BUT. Then I thought about it. And realized it wouldn't be long before Vermont was hosting visitors like Hugo Chavez and perhaps Ahmadinajad himself. They would relish the opportunity to go against American foreign policy and to create trouble wherever they could.

Sorry Vermont. I don't trust you enough to let you leave.

1 posted on 04/01/2007 2:11:32 AM PDT by Timeout
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To: Timeout

At least the second independence thread today (there's also one about Scottish independence).


2 posted on 04/01/2007 2:13:33 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Timeout

if they begin and win a secession movement, can we invade and defeat them and really take over once and for all...?


3 posted on 04/01/2007 2:15:19 AM PDT by Methadras
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To: Timeout

Do the dems run Vermont? If so, why do they think they would get away from big government by secession.


4 posted on 04/01/2007 2:16:55 AM PDT by Stayingawayfromthedarkside
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To: Timeout
If you drop the soap in Vermont....

you must kick it to New Hampshire to safely pick it up!

5 posted on 04/01/2007 2:17:27 AM PDT by Nitro (A)
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To: Timeout

Aw, let 'em leave. I can do w/o Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream... ;-p

Do you seriesly take this seriesly?


6 posted on 04/01/2007 2:25:40 AM PDT by Theresawithanh (Rudy? Hunter? McCain? Tancredo? Romney? Presenting WWF FR style.....)
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I live in Vermont, and happen to know the demographics of our state. The liberal socialist Moonbats who live in the three major cities of Vermont: Burlington, Rutland and Brattleboro, think they can paint the whole state from the narrow confines of their " Boulder East" perspective. They have about 55% of the vote in Vermont. They generally do not have any use for guns or the use of force.

The other 45% are patriots who live in the rural areas of Vermont, in the old tradition of Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain boys. We comprise the gun culture of Vermont , which has kept all gun laws , except for hunting, off the legislative books of our State. Vermonters can conceal carry as a matter of constitutional right. The moonbats would have a very difficult time pursuing their so called independence, for without the ability, culture, or attitude to fight, their musings on forming a Republic of Vermont are mere wet dreams.

Treasonous wimps! This writing is nothing but propaganda designed to whip the Moonbat base of Vermont into ever more erratic thinking, so that they will emerge as whacko whirling dervishes to demonstrate in front of the State House.

One call from their socialist leaders to go home and get their guns would see the lot of them vanish into obscurity, while the thread of the true Republic of Vermont continues to be woven into the fabric of our state by patriots, who are laughing their assess off at these silly little F*#ks.

7 posted on 04/01/2007 2:26:34 AM PDT by Candor7
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At least we wouldn't have to put up with Leahy or Sanders and Gov. Howard Dean would not be a US citizen any more, at least I would deport him to VT, lol. You know Vermont secession doesn't sound half bad!
8 posted on 04/01/2007 2:28:55 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Timeout

Although obviously written by liberals, the article does point out that the the federal government has grow way out of proportion to what it was originally designed for, and that the tenth amendment of the Constitution has become practically vestigial.


9 posted on 04/01/2007 2:29:51 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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Hey Jedi. can you give me the thread reference on Scottish Independence? Thanks bud.


10 posted on 04/01/2007 2:31:51 AM PDT by Candor7
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While the people you describe seem to be liberal, it isn't treasonous to consider secession from the Union and independence for a State. The states are.....states. They are not provinces. Although most states came about from territories which were not given the option of full independence from the Union, all the states are supposed to be sovereign. Otherwise, they'd be practically provinces or territories under direct control by Washington, D.C.


11 posted on 04/01/2007 2:36:30 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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Here's the thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1810043/posts.
12 posted on 04/01/2007 2:37:24 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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I agree with you Jed, but the moonbats do not have the will or ability to fight, and they would have to fight 45% of we Vermont patriots who would not allow it. Vermonts patriots would fight for independence IF the reasons were right.

The reasons given by the article are not those which would bring out the will to fight in Vermonst patriot population, which lives largely outside of the moonbat regulated cities of Brattleboro, Rutland and Burlington.

13 posted on 04/01/2007 2:40:37 AM PDT by Candor7
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Thanks Jed, You're a peach.


14 posted on 04/01/2007 2:41:14 AM PDT by Candor7
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To: Methadras
Not a bad idea. Of course, Vermont would no longer be a state, but a territory instead. That eliminates 2 Dem Senate seats and 1 socialist (Dem) House seat. It also frees them from federal income taxes...jeez, maybe I'd move there myself. :^)
15 posted on 04/01/2007 2:50:04 AM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: Timeout

Interesting to think this follows the Army's switch back to the old blue uniform. If Vermont rebels, and considering most of the active duty force now enlists from the south, perhaps soon Bluecoats will be able to liberate great great great grandma's silverware and bring it back to Atlanta.


16 posted on 04/01/2007 2:50:47 AM PDT by tlb
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Although most states came about from territories which were not given the option of full independence from the Union, all the states are supposed to be sovereign.

No. The people are supposed to be sovereign.

The Constitution exists because the Articles of Confederation, which set up a voluntary association of sovereign states, wasn't a sufficient basis for a new and growing nation. There was a consensus in favor of a stronger central government, though some Founders -- most notably Samuel Adams and Patrick Henry -- differed strongly and in no uncertain terms.

The balance of powers between the Feds and the states was a struggle from the beginning of the Republic, as was the question of whether a state that had joined could later opt out -- the latter wouldn't be answered until 1865, and then only by force.

17 posted on 04/01/2007 2:53:53 AM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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It also frees them from federal income taxes...

And there ya go...what will they use for money?
18 posted on 04/01/2007 3:00:34 AM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: stand watie

Pinging you to a Session Thread.


19 posted on 04/01/2007 3:02:09 AM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: loboinok

"And there ya go...what will they use for money?"
Perhaps they'll revert to their original currency, but this time it will say: 'Please tread on me'.


20 posted on 04/01/2007 3:06:12 AM PDT by mkmensinger
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