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The Minnesota Teacher's unions are intensely lobbying our legislature for "smaller classes." It will take a serious increase in taxes to accomplish this.
1 posted on 03/31/2007 4:12:55 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

I am SO sick of this crap. There were @50 kids in my classes in elementary school and , as near as I could tell, we all left knowing how to read and do basic math. Give me a break. Lazy parents and lazy teachers are in cahoots to raise a nation of idiots.


2 posted on 03/31/2007 4:36:19 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: shrinkermd

Teaching is the only occupation that actually has negative productivity gains per employee.


8 posted on 03/31/2007 5:50:42 AM PDT by sportutegrl (This thread is useless without pix.)
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To: shrinkermd

Speaking as a teacher - basically smaller class sizes are useless unless you can get a dramatic change.

If you could get classes of 10 instead of 30, you'd probably get improvement - but 20 instead of 30 just doesn't make a real difference.

And it increases the number of teachers you need by 50%, which means you have to lower the standards you use to employ them.


10 posted on 03/31/2007 6:33:04 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: shrinkermd
It ought to end, with the state giving the money to local districts to spend in whatever ways will best benefit their students...

How many boatloads of administrators, assistants to administrators, over the top gymnasiums, and Taj Mahal type building structures is it going to take before people admit that schools WILL NOT spend the money in ways in "best benefit" their students? They WILL NOT and they NEVER WILL. They will spend it ON THEMSELVES, as they've always done.

12 posted on 03/31/2007 6:37:41 AM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: shrinkermd

I just read (I didn't save the reference) that made a good argument that the important point is not small classes, which in the study made no different, but smaller schools. The optimum size was 1,200 or less. I forgot the minimum number.


13 posted on 03/31/2007 6:47:38 AM PDT by Jane Austen
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To: shrinkermd

It's failing here in florida also. Feels good though. That's what counts.


14 posted on 03/31/2007 7:12:15 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (VOTE DEMOCRAT--TERRORISTS ARE COUNTING ON IT)
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To: shrinkermd
...There is still no evidence that the multibillion-dollar investment in small primary classes has made more than an incremental difference in achievement. Well-intentioned and popular as it has been, the class-size reduction program represents another restriction on schools that need to be more creative, not less.

When I was in grade school we had 30 or more kids in a class. The schools were better run back then; the kids were disciplined -- by teachers; and we got a good education. All that small class sizes has accomplished is more jobs for teachers and administrators. It's been little more than a scam perpetrated by the teachers' unions.

17 posted on 03/31/2007 5:17:13 PM PDT by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: shrinkermd

One more thing for which we can thank Pete Wilson.


18 posted on 03/31/2007 5:33:47 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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