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1 posted on 03/24/2007 3:51:22 AM PDT by Clive
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2 posted on 03/24/2007 3:52:08 AM PDT by Clive
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This is the most commonly quoted English translation, and has effectively become the standard English translation.

I prefer the later Huang translation but I could not find an electronic edition.

3 posted on 03/24/2007 3:59:04 AM PDT by Clive
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To: Clive

Is this the whole text?


4 posted on 03/24/2007 4:02:42 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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5 posted on 03/24/2007 4:03:55 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Clive

Bump for later.


7 posted on 03/24/2007 4:09:50 AM PDT by Yogafist
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11 posted on 03/24/2007 4:57:08 AM PDT by 21stCenturion ("It's the Judges, Stupid !")
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To: Clive

Thanks for these --- most enlightening. I hope these are not available in a Arabic.


12 posted on 03/24/2007 5:19:34 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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Self ping to remember to read the Art of War again here when you are done with your vacation.


14 posted on 03/24/2007 6:26:43 AM PDT by Sundog (We are all counting down the days.)
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To: Clive

bump


15 posted on 03/24/2007 6:59:11 AM PDT by WhirlwindAttack (I don't hate people, I'm just not user friendly.)
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To: Clive
Excerpts from the New DNC Art of War:

The Art of War

By Jack Murtha and John Kerry

Translated by Howard Dean

I. Laying Plans

1. Jack Murtha said: The art of war is of vital importance to the State...provided its not the United States.

2. It is a matter of life and death, mostly death of our soldiers, which we gladly embrace!

3. The art of war, then, is governed by five constant factors, to be taken into account in going to war

4. These are: (1) The Polling Factor; (2) The Progressive Factors (3) The Media Factor (4) The Fund Raising Factor; (5) The Fonda Factor (or how to embrace the enemy).

5,6. The Polling Factor causes us to thing on what people think as long as the questions are leading ones

7. The Progressive Factors signifies we are cowards, but we'll use former military members who won medals under questionable circumstances and will not release thier war records to justify our positions of cowardace!

8. The Media Factor comprises on what Katie, Brian and Charlie and Pinch and the NY Times to stab and demoralize the military. Never cover whats positive, only the deaths.

9. The Fund Raising Factor stands for the how much money we can get from the loony left.

10.The Fonda Factor is to be understood that we embrace our enemies and betray our country at all costs and then hide behind the Constitution to justify our treason!

11. These five heads should be familiar to every liberal: he who knows them will be victorious; he who knows them not will Republican and called a NAZI.

1. John Kerry said: In the practical art of war, the best thing of all is to collect as many medals as fast as you can and fake all injuries!

2. Never release your records to Republicans. Only to liberal rags like the Boston Times.

3. Thus the highest form of leadership is to make up lies on how our troops are teh REAL enemy and lie your ass off in front of Congress to make yourself a superstar.....oh and don't bathe or get a haircut to really impress the Committee!

4. The rule is, love your enemies, and hate your country....and marry rich ugly women!

5. The Psuedo War Hero is unable to control his irritation, will launch his tirades against the stupid member of the military for any and all stupid things he may say.

6. Therefore the skillful leader sues the enemy, in this case Switboat Vets who served honorable and will expose you for the fraud you truly are. Take them to court and run up their leagal fees. Drop the case only when you are forced to disclose your military records.

7. It is the rule in war, if our forces are ten to the enemy's one, GIVE UP! RUN AWAY! SURRENDER! Victory is not an option!

16 posted on 03/24/2007 7:03:50 AM PDT by Bommer (Global Warming: The only warming phenomena that occurs in the Summer and ends in the Winter!)
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To: Clive
PING!

Clive, I have been reading Sun Tzu since about 1974. ( took an Asian History Course). Over the years I have perused many translations but my favorite is the one is the translation done by the Denma Group:

http://www.sonshi.com/denma.html

There is also a deck of cards that can be used to learn the principles involved.

The main principle of the ART of WAR is to avoid war, but then when avoiding is not possible, .........

18 posted on 03/24/2007 4:17:02 PM PDT by Candor7
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