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Bullet Points: The People Debate Fate Of Gun Ban
Washington Post ^ | 3/21/07 | DeNeen L. Brown

Posted on 03/22/2007 10:11:39 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

When the night spits bloody fire and gunshots bang outside your door, when metal bars can't keep a thug out, when the crack pebble rules, when the boys on the corner think "going hard" is spraying bullets at the back of someone's head: How are the "good people" supposed to protect themselves?

When there is talk that police take too long to come or may not come at all and that real justice belongs to the street, and retaliation is the No. 1 motive of homicides in the city, and somebody's knocking at your door round midnight, is that the time to engage in a debate about the commas placed in the Second Amendment?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol

1 posted on 03/22/2007 10:11:41 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

This was in the Washington Post??!?!?!?!????


2 posted on 03/22/2007 10:16:13 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Yeah. Tell it.


3 posted on 03/22/2007 10:18:05 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: kiriath_jearim
"I don't want to move to Maryland," Seegars shoots back. "I want to stay in D.C. And I want a gun." "I want a gun, too, but I can't handle one," Martin says.

BINGO! Liberals don't feel they can handle a gun so no one should be allowed to keep one.

Several years ago (I am not making this up) I spent a weekend with a favorite cousin. She's married to an arch New York City Liberal. Talk turned to guns and his final reponse was, "No one should have a gun. If I had a gun there are some people I'd kill, I hate them so much. No one should be allowed to have a gun."

As I said, I am not making this up.

4 posted on 03/22/2007 10:19:47 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: kiriath_jearim

"How are the "good people" supposed to protect themselves?"

Kill the bad ones.


5 posted on 03/22/2007 10:20:52 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: pabianice
The fear of weapons is indicative of retarded mental and emotional development.

Sigmund Freud
7 posted on 03/22/2007 10:24:16 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: pabianice
"I want a gun, too, but I can't handle one," Martin says.

NRA Training and Education

8 posted on 03/22/2007 10:25:54 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Moore, a former D.C. Council member, said he was the only original council member to vote against the gun ban. He has come out this day to praise the ruling that overturned it.

A good man. The only one who had any sense at the time. What really bites is it took over 30 years to get this crap addressed.

9 posted on 03/22/2007 10:29:57 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Gun control is racist.

Gun control advocates are trying to kill these black Americans.

God, it feels good to point this out.

10 posted on 03/22/2007 10:35:25 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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We never had any police brutality in Hickory, North Carolina, because everybody had guns. One day a police officer slapped my uncle, and my grandfather came out with a shotgun and said, 'I'll blow your goddamn head off.'

I'm not saying that pointing a shotgun at a police officer is a good idea, but in this case, it seems that the notions of self-protection behind the 2nd Amendment were successfully expressed.

11 posted on 03/22/2007 10:35:54 AM PDT by Virulas
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To: The KG9 Kid

Gun control is also sexist, and ageist. In fact, gun control automatically hands the reins of power in any situation to the larger, stronger, better armed person, and/or the larger group.


12 posted on 03/22/2007 10:46:28 AM PDT by Hegemony Cricket (Never let it be said that there are things we would never let be said.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Stunning, not the article but its source. These absolutely are the issues involved and it is encouraging to see that decades of anti-gun propaganda haven't managed to make people forget.

The assumption that the only way that violence will stop is for honest people to kill dishonest ones is false. There will be no bloodbath, no "OK Corral" because that isn't the way the dynamic works. The violence stops when the bad guys are presented with the probability that their victims might be armed. The higher that probability is the less likely they are to take the risk of finding out. That isn't a projection, it's an observable phenomenon backed up by reams of prison testimony.

A lot of anti-gunners are classic utopians, attempting to create a static society with unchanging characteristics such as "no guns, no violence." Societies don't work that way. Where a dynamic balance of violence within a society is broken by disarming the wrong side the balance change is absolutely predictable - "where guns are outlawed, etc" - and absolutely observable. It's really tough to be in the test population for these little experiments.

13 posted on 03/22/2007 10:51:03 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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About what you wrote in post #4, I once read about the "psychology" of gun-haters is that they have this fear that they don't have total control over themselves (and this fellow certainly meets that definition) and might do harm if they had a gun. Also, they don't basically trust their fellow man to do the right thing, hence their dislike (and fear) of firearms in others' hands.


14 posted on 03/22/2007 11:12:44 AM PDT by OldPossum
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"I want a gun, too, but I can't handle one," Martin says. "And you got some regular citizens out here as crazy as people across the street." He is pointing toward St. Elizabeths Hospital.

"The way I see it is, if you get guns, the crooks are going to break in the house and steal your arms. Second, if somebody is picking at you and they chase you in the house and you think that's them at the door, it could be someone else, but you fire through the door and kill an innocent person. I just think the law should stay where it is."

Two classical Leftist diatribes against ownership of firearms. What if someone steals your gun out of your house? It would be hard to steal if your gun is either on your person or close-by you in your house, not to mention most B&Eers are more interested in goods that can be liquidated without much fuss or muss. The other being that criminals can't be trusted with guns so the law-abiding citizen can't be trusted with them either. Hello? Dumba$$? A criminal by definition is someone who breaks the law. If possessing firearms is illegal, what is to stop the criminal, the lawbreaker, from seeking out, procuring and possessing firearms anyway? Absolutely nothing.

P.S. See my tagline. Aristotle had this covered back in the 3rd century B.C. Apparently limp-wristed Utopians and would-be tyrants existed in Hellenic Age. And here I was taught in publik skool that murder didn't exist before guns were invented.

15 posted on 03/22/2007 11:13:28 AM PDT by Quick or Dead (Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms - Aristotle)
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To: Quick or Dead

Hmm. The article claims that Martin is a "Vietnam combat veteran" and yet he claims that he "can't handle one". I find that strange and paradoxical. It just doesn't add up.

Anyone have statistics with regards to crimes committed in nations with strict gun control?


16 posted on 03/22/2007 11:52:34 PM PDT by Expendable
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