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To: Almondjoy
"Actually you are quoting scripture for your own devices. "

Ridiculous.

"None of those quotes mean what you think they say. "

Of course not.

"The first is a claim of forgiveness upon all people."

No. God forgave only those that didn't know what they were doing, not those that did, or that claimed they did. He did not, as John 9 points out, forgive those that claimed they could see. Nor, did He forgive Judas.

"Jesus basically saying that all sin is forgivable if you ask for the forgiveness."

He says that in other places, and asks that one everyone forgive others, as he did. He forgives, regardless of being asked. All sin is not forgivable. Those that don't forgive others reject the Holy Spirit, and those that reject the Holy Spirit are not forgiven. Matthew 12:32
"Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

Re: "That's facinating. So even if they murder they get a free pass? They automatically get to go to heaven while we all have to work for it? Could you point that out in the bible for me."

"The second I'm not sure how that relates at all. "

Obviously, as I said, folks that don't have the capacity can not know. If they are blind, they are forgiven. God looks at how others judge them, and judges those folks accordingly.

"The third can actually be a claim of not knowing Christianity as well. "

God judges based on how one's own Spirit compares to the Holy Spirit. Those are forgiven as the blind are, unless they have effectively rejected the Holy Spirit.

"You could use it as assuming one doesn't know the different between right and wrong.. however few mentally ill people actually have that distinction. Those who are stricken with anxiety or depression still understand the difference between right and wrong."

You don't have a clue about how the mind works, and you accuse others that are born with impediments of being sinners. You're a faith healer that panders mumbo jumbo, not a physician. You don't even have the least of a rudimentary grasp of the subject, so don't play one. You've failed to even grasp what God said in the passages I wrote to you.

"Even psychopaths even know the different between right and wrong. They just don't care."

Your ignorance is glaring. It depends on the disease.

"You better come up with better stuff than that."

whatever.

22 posted on 03/22/2007 2:13:07 PM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: spunkets

"No. God forgave only those that didn't know what they were doing..."

Right.. but severe depressives know what they are doing. They also know they are taking the easy way out by taking medication instead of dealing with the problem.

My point comes from what did severe depressives do 300 or 3000 years ago. They either overcame it or they scummbed to it.

Actually speaking against the Holy Spirit and "not forgiving" as you put it are two totally different things.

For instance anyone who sins is rejecting the Holy Spirit.. God says that when we take the Holy Spirit into our hearts we know that sin is bad and that we shouldn't do it.. therefore when we fall down we are ignoring that Holy Spirit.

Again you are using your quotes out of context.

So since people are born "blind" as you put it.. blind in intself means you don't have the mental capacity to comphrened then you must believe that people are born for the sole purpose not of having to live up to God's word but for the only reason to commit acts of sin against others for some greater purpose.

"God judges based on how one's own Spirit compares to the Holy Spirit. Those are forgiven as the blind are, unless they have effectively rejected the Holy Spirit."

So then there are those who are blind and then there are those who reject? There is nothing inbetween?

Actually it's who are reading passages to fit your own beliefs. Taking things out of context. If you are so against faith healers you must of been against Jesus as well. Jesus was a faith healer.


23 posted on 03/22/2007 4:46:23 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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