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All in a Good Cause (if you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess to anything)
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2007-03-04-1.html ^ | Orson Scott Card

Posted on 03/14/2007 12:39:12 PM PDT by ventanax5

What Is Driving Global Climate?

Science isn't done by consensus. It's done by rigorous testing. When a hypothesis -- or a computer model -- fails to correspond to the actual real-world data, you throw it out.

That's what the real climate scientists are doing. They have found, in recent years, a very close correspondence between global climate and variations in the amount of radiation the Earth receives from the Sun.

The light and heat we get varies depending on the distance and position of the Earth and the amount of radiation the Sun puts out. The Earth's distance and position seem to determine the big cycles -- the Ice Ages -- and the Sun's variations seem to determine the smaller climate cycles.

(Excerpt) Read more at ornery.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: globalwarming; gorebullwarming; gorebullwarmingbs; orsonscottcard; osc

1 posted on 03/14/2007 12:39:20 PM PDT by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5

Sun's fault.


2 posted on 03/14/2007 12:42:39 PM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: ventanax5

It's a vast right sun conspiracy.


3 posted on 03/14/2007 12:44:02 PM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: ventanax5

The sun puts too much focus on Iraq and not enough on Afghanistan.


4 posted on 03/14/2007 12:46:31 PM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: ventanax5
That's right. Global Warming is caused by the Sun about every 1500 years. Global Cooling (as was foisted upon us when I was younger), is caused when the Sun puts out a little less.

When will the media grow up and stop trying to make us run around in small circles?

5 posted on 03/14/2007 12:48:38 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: ryan71
That's right... the son of the first President Bush!

/left-wing mania>

6 posted on 03/14/2007 12:51:15 PM PDT by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: ventanax5

Orson Scott Card points out the major failing of how modern scientific research is carried out: nobody gets to do any research except in fulfillment of a research grant. Which means that, if you want to make a living as a research scientist, you cannot afford to have results which make your grant issuer unhappy enough that he does not continue to fund you


7 posted on 03/14/2007 12:59:16 PM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: ventanax5

The article gave me the amusing mental pictures of the primitive Druids of 1,500 years ago, trying to make sense of global warming. Reading a chicken’s entrails, casting mystic powders into the wind, and rolling the knuckle bones of their dead mothers, they came to the conclusion that the gods were angered, and only sacrifice could appease them.

The Druids of today, using computers and fake data sets rather than chicken entrails and mystic powders, have reached the same conclusions!


8 posted on 03/14/2007 1:16:49 PM PDT by Scourge of God (Remember, liberals, 'baaa' means NO!)
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To: ventanax5
"hypothesis" and "theory" are 2 words NEVER seen in this discussion. "Global Warming" and it causes are just a theory.

Can anyone here name the "greenhouse gasses"?
9 posted on 03/14/2007 1:31:35 PM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: ventanax5
Did someone say torture?


10 posted on 03/14/2007 1:56:20 PM PDT by Caleb1411 ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own." G. K. C)
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To: hophead
"hypothesis" and "theory" are 2 words NEVER seen in this discussion. "Global Warming" and it causes are just a theory.

Global warming is a fact, period. Now why it's warming is the question. Anthropogenic cause (us) is what all the hype is about these days. Even if it is true, it's a young theory with a lot of hype and politics surrounding it from the beginning, which doesn't do much for its trustworthiness. It's definitely far too young to be discounting alternates so easily, or making big decisions based on it. It hasn't even made any predictions that have come true (one of the hallmarks of a solid theory).

11 posted on 03/14/2007 1:57:08 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: hophead

I can think of only 3 without reading further.

In no significant order, they are water vapour, methane, and carbon dioxide.

Remember the atmosphere is 20.9% oxygen, 79% nitrogen, and 0.1% ALL other gases.


12 posted on 03/14/2007 4:25:16 PM PDT by Don W ("Well Done" is far better to hear than "Well Said". (Samuel Clemens))
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To: ventanax5

The SUN has been heating the Earth? Wow! Who'da thunk it.


13 posted on 03/14/2007 4:38:12 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: ventanax5
The Global Warming alarmists are the anti-science religion that is trying to forcibly indoctrinate and convert everyone while suppressing dissent. And the news media are their patsies, their stooges, their puppets.
No, Big Journalism exists to promote itself - and nothing promotes Big Journalism like a good scare story asserting that the people we count on - that even we ourselves - are causing a disaster. Big Journalism is nobody's patsy - it awards positive PR to those who give Big Journalism a good scare story. And it heaps approbium on anyone who durst question any such story.

14 posted on 03/14/2007 7:12:35 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Don W
"water vapour"

Ahhh, the one gas that is left off of MOST calculations and discussions about the subject. Water vapor accounts for about 99.3% of "greenhouse gas". Only about 1% of it is caused by humans. If water vapor is in the mix, CO2 only accounts for about 3.5% of all "greenhouse gas". Only about 1% of it is caused by humans.
15 posted on 03/15/2007 9:08:12 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: ventanax5

The video link below has real scientists not Green Goron Enviralist Druids pretending to be scientists. They shred Goron‘s Gorebull Warming bs:

The Great Gorebull Warming Swindle

16 posted on 03/15/2007 10:39:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (GW has more Honor and Integrity in his little finger than ALL of the losers on the "hate Bush" band)
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To: Tolik

Ping


17 posted on 03/29/2007 2:05:25 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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