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Christian Belief a 'Hate Crime' Under Plan
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 3/3/07

Posted on 03/04/2007 6:03:32 PM PST by peggybac

The National Prayer Network is promoting a campaign aimed at defeating "hate crimes" proposals

Americans worried about new "hate crime" legislation that could be used to make criminals of those whose religious faith doesn't endorse homosexuality could be facing a two-pronged attack, according to groups that monitor those developments.

The newest threat is being prepared by U.S. Rep. John Conyers, the head of the House Judiciary Committee, whose work is being called "The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007," according to the Rev. Ted Pike, of the National Prayer Network.

He said a letter to other members of the House was intercepted by Focus on the Family and indicated that it "gives the federal government even more power to create a bias motivation justice system, turning America into a police state."

Michael Marcavage, director of Repent America and Pike both had alerted their constituencies earlier to H.R. 254, or the David Ray Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which could create "anti-hate" restrictions and penalties.

Marcavage told WND that plan would invert American justice, and instead of requiring evidence it would leave it to someone who claims to be offended to determine whether a "crime" has been committed.

"Truth is not allowed as evidence in hate crimes trials. … A homosexual can claim emotional damage from hearing Scripture that describes his lifestyle as an abomination. He can press charges against the pastor or broadcaster who merely reads the Bible in public. The 'hater' can be fined thousands of dollars and even imprisoned!" Marcavage said.

So there immediately was a flood of calls to Congress with opposition to H.R. 254 and it appeared that the plan might not make it out of committee. In fact, records show it still is pending in the House Judiciary Committee

But Pike is says the danger is far from over.

Rev. Ted Pike, of the National Prayer Network

"I think H.R. 254 may be a decoy, designed to absorb the bulk of protest from Christians and conservatives. Because of massive protest, it may be voted down or set aside in Judiciary soon. But Conyers will then substitute the bill that's really wanted by the Anti-Defamation league of B'nai B'rith, architect of this legislation," Pike said.

"Conyers could reintroduce this bill very soon. Since Nancy Pelosi and the House Rules Committee can speed any bill forward for a House vote, even bypassing Judiciary altogether, Conyers and Pelosi could almost immediately put LLEHCPA at the head of the docket and up for a vote in the House," he said.

Pike said the same plan passed the House in 2005, but not the Senate. This year, "buttressed by a host of co-sponsors and virtually untainted by criticism, it could be sped forward," he said.

But he said mainstream media has remained virtually silent, and "the vast majority of Americans remain oblivious to the existence of the hate bill in Congress, or how it dangles like the blade of a guillotine over our precious and vulnerable liberty," Pike said.

"Now more than ever, 'eternal vigilance is the price of liberty,'" Pike said.

As WND has reported, such laws already have been used around the world, where in Canada pastors are fearful of reading biblical injunctions against homosexuality, and in Australia where two pastors were convicted of "vilifying" Islam.

The H.R. 254 plan, proposed by Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, D-Texas, is "stealth legislation at its most devious," Pike said earlier. He said people take a glance, and then say, "This bill just wants federal power to prosecute bias-motivated violent crimes in the states – what's wrong with that?"

"There's plenty wrong with that!" he said. First, the Constitution does not grant federal government the "police state privilege" of being your local law enforcement. "Unless the government finds evidence of slavery in the states, jury tampering, voter fraud, or crimes involving interstate commerce (where jurisdiction is unclear), the Constitution's message to the federal government is blunt and emphatic: 'Butt out of local law enforcement!'"

However, Pike said the authors of the new legislation have been clever, inserting in the proposal assertions that because five states do not have hate laws, the federal government has "no choice" but to "enhance federal enforcement of hate crimes." That includes new ranks of federal agents to address the "serious national problem" that exists.

Worse yet, there are some key phrases that open doors wide that many people don't want opened. For example, Pike said, the bill is to "prevent and respond to alleged violations," meaning "the government does not even have to wait until a hate crime has been committed but may act pre-emptively to 'prevent' crime."

Peter LaBarbera, of Americans for Truth, noted that in Canada and France both, legislators have been fined for publicly criticizing homosexuality. Three years ago, a Swedish hate crimes law was used to put Pastor Ake Green, who preached that homosexuality is a sin, in jail for a month.

"And recently, a British couple told how they were denied the chance to adopt because it was determined that their Christian faith might 'prejudice' them against a homosexual child put in their care," LaBarbera added.

Already in the United States, Catholic Charities of Boston halted all adoption operations in the state after being told under Massachusetts' pro-'gay' nondiscrimination law, only agencies that placed children in homosexual-led households would get licensed by the state.

He suggested a visit to StopHateCrimesNow to hear the testimonies of those who have had first-hand experience with so-called "hate crimes" laws. A 75-year-old grandmother describes how she was jailed for testifying about the Bible, in the United States.

Members who commented on a blog expressed alarm.

"This lays the groundwork for the 'thought police,'" said "onlymom," while "curveboy" said, "the implications of such a bill would put dissent of the government under hate speech and (offenders could) be arrested and thrown into detention camps... hate bill legislations needs to be dealt with in a fine line. once crossed there won't be any freedom of speech...."

Repent America, some of whose members already have served jail time simply for proclaiming the biblical message, is joining in sounding the alarm.

"Having been charged under Pennsylvania's hate crimes law for declaring the truth about homosexuality, I can assure you that if this bill is passed and signed into law, it will be used to put Christians behind bars," said Marcavage.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: antichristian; christian; hatecrime; hatecrimes; repentamerica

1 posted on 03/04/2007 6:03:34 PM PST by peggybac
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To: peggybac

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States provides:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


2 posted on 03/04/2007 6:09:58 PM PST by diverteach
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To: peggybac

Previous on Repent America:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1785932/posts
Philadelphia 11 appeal free speech limits [Christians have no right to speak at public event]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1638786/posts
Patriotism, faith eagerly combined (FReeper and his Spirit of Allegiance Minuteman pace car)

http://freerepublic.info/focus/f-news/1651100/posts
Militant Mob of Homosexuals Targets Repent America


3 posted on 03/04/2007 6:13:05 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: peggybac

Can the antichrist be far behind?


4 posted on 03/04/2007 6:17:31 PM PST by Ikemeister
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To: diverteach

If the Supreme Court was what it's supposed to be,laws like this one wouldn't even be considered.


5 posted on 03/04/2007 6:18:02 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: diverteach
The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States provides: Congress shall make no law ... or abridging the freedom of speech

(McCain-Feingold:) "He's dead, Jim."

6 posted on 03/04/2007 6:19:43 PM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com†|Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Calpernia



Well now, let's see which Presidential candidate takes a stand on this silencing of the pulpit.


7 posted on 03/04/2007 6:21:21 PM PST by padre35 (I am from the "let's stop eating our own" wing of the Republican Party)
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To: Ikemeister

Considering what has transpired over the last 2000 years, this pales in comparison. I wouldn't look for the antichrist too soon.


8 posted on 03/04/2007 6:22:36 PM PST by kaboom
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To: peggybac

The 'separation clause' is starting to work like a reverse osmosis screen - it keeps religion out of everything public, but is allows everything public to force change on religion. These new types of laws will target Christians. Mosques will never be questioned when it comes to 'hate crimes'.


9 posted on 03/04/2007 6:24:03 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: peggybac
Hate crime legislation is one of Rudy Giuliani's passions.
10 posted on 03/04/2007 6:24:05 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: peggybac

Jihad Watch originally posted the link to this interesting article:

http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=247968254375265
Here's the link to Robert Spencers site regarding same:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014001.php
"November 11, 2006
"Expect Conyers and Pelosi to kick open the doors of Congress to Islamists from the Council on American-Islamic Relations and other militant groups"


11 posted on 03/04/2007 6:29:54 PM PST by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: JCEccles
Hate crime legislation is one of Rudy Giuliani's passions.

One more reason to stop Rudy--as if I needed another reason!

12 posted on 03/04/2007 6:37:53 PM PST by stillonaroll
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To: diverteach

Yes but when was the last time that Congress gave a $hit about what the Constitution or the Bill of Rights said?


13 posted on 03/04/2007 7:26:39 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: BOBWADE

ping


14 posted on 03/05/2007 12:08:00 AM PST by zip (((Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA)))))
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To: peggybac

John Conyers is a Stalinist. His meetings with and support of Marxist groups is well known in Michigan.

Conyers should have been indicted for sedition years ago.

The brainless, goosestepping voters in his district is one reason Michigan has a communist for governor, which has resulted in the highest unemployment in the country, productive citizens fleeing the state and massive tax increases looming. I'm predicting 20% unemployment in the state by summer, 2008.


15 posted on 03/05/2007 5:46:29 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: peggybac
This is the text of HR 254 as it applies to sexual orientation:

`(2)(A) Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, in any circumstance described in subparagraph (B), willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived religion, gender, sexual orientation, or disability of any person--

`(i) shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years, or fined in accordance with this title, or both; and

`(ii) shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or fined in accordance with this title, or both, if--

`(I) death results from the acts committed in violation of this paragraph; or

`(II) the acts committed in violation of this paragraph include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill.

Perhaps you can explain how this involves Christians or their beliefs about homosexuality? Having said that, I am against all hate crimes legislation, since the "crime" itself is already covered in other statutes. But this article by the notorious WND seems to make it something it is not. But I may be missing something.

16 posted on 03/05/2007 7:16:29 AM PST by MACVSOG68
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