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1 posted on 03/04/2007 9:41:59 AM PST by Clive
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2 posted on 03/04/2007 9:43:03 AM PST by Clive
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To: Clive
Liberalism doesn't add up. Its prescriptions are insane.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 03/04/2007 9:43:14 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Clive

Planting trees to offset carbon emissions. Maybe. Just keep in mind that trees wick moisture out of the ground. Massive tree planting would lead to ecological disaster.


4 posted on 03/04/2007 9:46:12 AM PST by all the best
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"Unless you think ideology is more important than humanity."


That's the point exactly. The neo-fascists (liberals) do think that their ideology IS more important than humanity.


5 posted on 03/04/2007 9:47:52 AM PST by Ikemeister
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The global warming, green, etc. movements are driven by emotion rather than any rational thought or science. That is why they appeal to most liberals and other non-thinkers.


6 posted on 03/04/2007 9:48:03 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: Clive

Al Gore will get a piece of every carbon credit sold.

Nice scam this carbon credit scheme. I wish I had gotten in on the ground floor.


7 posted on 03/04/2007 9:55:19 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: Clive

BTTT


9 posted on 03/04/2007 9:59:34 AM PST by Chena
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To: Clive
I beg to differ. Ethanol can be very cool...especially on the rocks.
11 posted on 03/04/2007 10:02:31 AM PST by RichInOC (...Phi Kappa Sigma, Beta Rho '87..."My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.")
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The numbers don't add up. How can a return flight from Toronto to Vancouver injects 5.4 tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere per passenger.

I looked up how much CO2 a burning a gallon of gas creates, I'm assuming aviation fuel would be about the same. It's 20 lb of CO2 per gallon of gas.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/co2.shtml

I also looked up the average fuel efficiency of a jet. It's 78 passenger miles per gallon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_efficiency_in_transportation

If you do the math, creating 5.4 tons of CO2 should take 540 gallons of fuel, which should take you about 42,120 miles.

They must be taking the long way from Toronto to Vancouver!
13 posted on 03/04/2007 10:10:20 AM PST by nh1
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This writer states

"A return flight from Toronto to Vancouver injects 5.4 tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere per passenger."

Assuming the plane carries 100 people, thats 500 tons of
emissions per flight. It is a wonder they can even get that plane off the ground!


14 posted on 03/04/2007 10:12:58 AM PST by ExSafecracker (Hillary wants to be communist dictator for life.....not President!)
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I absolutely believe that our climate is warming up. Do I believe I am the culprit? Absolutely not.

Are people making money off of this scam? Absolutely. And if I were morally bankrupt, being the Good Little Capitalist I am, I would be, too.

Anyone that has ever gotten off of their couch and done any amount of traveling around the globe can easily see how vast and mighty Earth is. We are insignificant fleas on the back of Mother Earth. She flicks us off at will on a daily basis...and there is little we can do about it other than not living on a Flood Plain or in Tornado Alley, at Sea Level or on a Fault line.

And even then, if she's gunning for you, you don't stand much of a chance. :)


15 posted on 03/04/2007 10:13:37 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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Sounds like the Social Security Ponzi scheme all over again. Except this time they are playing Russian Roulette with our future lives.
17 posted on 03/04/2007 10:17:23 AM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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I don't understand the problem. CO2 is all natural, and all we're doing is returning CO2 to the atmosphere that was taken out in the past. Plus, plants love it.


18 posted on 03/04/2007 10:22:03 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Clive; aculeus; RightWhale; neverdem; sionnsar
"The only way to be "carbon neutral" when flying is to get off the plane before it takes off."

Another way would be to convert all passenger jets to hydrogen fuel. Burning hydrogen produces only water. While water vapor is a so-called greenhouse gas, the emission of water vapor from jets is usually called a contrail, a condensation trail. It is a long threadlike cloud.

And clouds reflect sunlight, cooling the Earth.

Of course, where would we get all that hydrogen? We would have to build many new nuclear power plants just for jet hydrogen. We might as well put them near the airports, and use them for both electrical energy production and hydrogen manufacturing.

Trees are useful, too. In addition to providing food crops, shade, and building materials, they stabilize soil and soak up carbon dioxide, making it easier to sequester it if you choose to do so. I'll take a few tons of sequestered carbon for my library, thank you.

19 posted on 03/04/2007 10:53:41 AM PST by NicknamedBob (I know where I have gone wrong, and I can cite it, chapter and verse.)
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To: Clive

bttt


21 posted on 03/04/2007 11:11:13 AM PST by Beowulf
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Lots of these articles today. Could it be the tide is turning? Once again, Al's on the wrong side of history.


29 posted on 03/04/2007 12:03:36 PM PST by TX Bluebonnet
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To: Clive

Al Gore Jr.'s carbon offsets are stock he purchased in his very own carbon offset company.

Nice work if you can get it.


38 posted on 03/04/2007 2:43:41 PM PST by donmeaker (The speed of light is 186,234 miles per second. Not just a good idea, its the LAW!)
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To: Clive

Cava, Cleeve? ;)

...good post! I've also followed material written by people who study recently more frequent solar events. They say that such activity has also contributed to warming trends.


40 posted on 03/04/2007 4:54:01 PM PST by familyop
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That's what the science says

No. That's what the computer models suggest, not the same thing at all. The computer models operate on their input which is not representative of all the factors that go into climate, and can't be because many factors are simply not understood well enough to "model" them. The models have to be constantly tweaked to allow for the present reality as it has differed from past projections.

42 posted on 03/04/2007 5:51:44 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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