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Marine wants extra credit for time served [LCpl Pennington / Hamdania]
North County Times ^ | February 13, 2007

Posted on 02/15/2007 7:07:34 AM PST by RedRover

CAMP PENDLETON -- A Marine lance corporal who pleaded guilty Tuesday to kidnapping and conspiracy charges in the shooting death of an Iraqi civilian wants extra days of credit awarded for the time he has been the base brig because of what his attorneys contend was illegal pretrial confinement.

The argument came Wednesday during the second day of a court-martial for Lance Cpl. Robert Pennington, 22, a Seattle-area native.

Pennington pleaded guilty Tuesday to two of the five felonies he was charged with in the abduction and slaying of Hashim Ibrahim Awad in the Iraqi village of Hamdania on April 26, 2006. In exchange for his pleas, prosecutors agreed to withdraw murder, larceny and housebreaking charges.

The military judge presiding over the case, Col. Steven Folsom, did not immediately rule on the request. Pennington is the fifth man from a 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment platoon to plead guilty in the case. The men who have pleaded guilty in negotiated deals with prosecutors received jail terms ranging from 12 to 21 months.

The case continues at 8:30 this morning with the defense expected to call witnesses in an attempt to mitigate their client's role in the incident.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hamdania; pennington
Illegal detention? Was it really? As I recall, the UCMJ manual only has one sentence in the "Rights of the Accused" section: "Son, your ass is ours."

Should be an interesting day in court.

1 posted on 02/15/2007 7:07:38 AM PST by RedRover
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2 posted on 02/15/2007 7:13:31 AM PST by RedRover
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illegal pretrial confinement.

Not a chance, I'll bet that every bit of his paperwork has 'Temporarily Assigned Duty' to the Naval Brig.

He wasn't 'confined' to the brig, that was his 'duty station' (as far as the Navy/Marines were concerned).

I'm looking at it from a strictly 'Navy' point of view.

3 posted on 02/15/2007 7:16:45 AM PST by CrawDaddyCA (Paul/Tancredo 2008)
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Understood. Wonder how the shackles would be justified in the paperwork?


4 posted on 02/15/2007 7:40:36 AM PST by RedRover
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Wonder how the shackles would be justified in the paperwork?

The shackles would probably be considered as 'part of his uniform of the day.'

I'm not kidding, I spent 8 years in the Navy, and that's how they think!

5 posted on 02/15/2007 7:48:51 AM PST by CrawDaddyCA (Paul/Tancredo 2008)
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The shackles would probably be considered as 'part of his uniform of the day.'

As my old dad used to say, "screwed, blued, and tattooed."

6 posted on 02/15/2007 8:14:18 AM PST by RedRover
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Maybe this "illegal pre-trial confinement" has something to do with how they were held (shackles, etc.) before they were charged. I think they were brought back to Camp Pendleton in early May and were not charged until late in June. One would think there would be codes to follow regarding how an accused is confined, especially before charges are filed. CrawDaddyCA's comments makes it sound like the Navy has a lot of latitude in defining their status.

"The shackles would probably be considered as 'part of his uniform of the day.'" My what a lovely addition to their uniform ensemble.


7 posted on 02/15/2007 8:32:54 AM PST by Girlene
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The whole military justice system is a closed, black box.

People on the Right won't criticize it because it could be taken as criticism of the military itself.

People on the Left only take an interest when a particular case supports their anti-American agenda. (You'll notice the ACLU only cares about terrorists Gitmo.)

So the whole apparatus can seek devour, destroy, without a bit of outside scrutiny.

Sometimes it seems that only a handful of people even care about what's going on at Pendleton. We have to keep trying to change that.

8 posted on 02/15/2007 10:39:47 AM PST by RedRover
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FYI. See this June 17th entry on Blogs of War: Pendleton 8 Update: Marine’s Shackles Removed.
9 posted on 02/15/2007 11:23:34 AM PST by RedRover
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So according to this article, they were confined to the max. from May 24 to June 16. I think charges were handed out to the Pendleton 8 on June 21.


10 posted on 02/15/2007 12:04:28 PM PST by Girlene
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To: RedRover
As my old dad used to say, "screwed, blued, and tattooed."

It was, "screwed, BLEWED, and tattooed.

It referred to a night of revelry on shore leave amongst your buddies.

11 posted on 02/15/2007 12:17:15 PM PST by HIDEK6
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Thanks. Old dad never wrote it down!


12 posted on 02/15/2007 12:21:44 PM PST by RedRover
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Also, wonder why dad made it sound like a bad thing. Guess he regretted his tattoos...


13 posted on 02/15/2007 12:23:55 PM PST by RedRover
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Blued...hee hee that was funny shippy!


14 posted on 02/15/2007 1:07:54 PM PST by lilycicero
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Here's a little more on the illegal detention from the Boston Globe: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/02/14/marine_details_iraqi_kidnap_murder_plan/

"Pennington's military lawyers argued that some of his legal rights had been violated, and that he should be awarded extra credit for time served early on in his confinement.

Attorney David Brahms said that Pennington was not given a preliminary hearing quickly enough, and that the Marine's conditions of confinement were unnecessarily harsh. The squad was initially classified as potentially violent and were kept in shackles.

Military judge Col. Steven Folsom did not rule on the motion for extra credit for time served. "

That's a new one on me "potentially violent". Maybe that just means "hasn't been broken, yet".


15 posted on 02/15/2007 1:17:26 PM PST by Girlene
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Hush now. I was trying to keep it clean(er).


16 posted on 02/15/2007 1:18:27 PM PST by RedRover
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Here's some more info from Military Justice 101 on pre-trial confinement: http://usmilitary.about.com/library/weekly/aa102200a.htm

....."When his charges are "referred" or presented to a court-martial, the confined servicemember may ask the military judge presiding over the court to review his pretrial confinement again. If rules were violated, the military judge can release the servicemember, and he can reduce any subsequent sentence, giving additional credit for inappropriate confinement.

In most cases, imposing pretrial confinement "starts the clock." After imposing pretrial confinement, the command must usually bring the case to trial within 120 days, or risk having the case overturned on appeal.
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According to this last paragraph, the case should be brought to trial in 120 days. If the Pendleton 8 were confined, stateside, on May 24, then 120 days would be Sept. 1. Pennington was originally supposed to have a pre-trial hearing on Sept. 25 - don't know if this happened. His charges were referred to a general court martial on Oct. 17. I guess the 120 day rule doesn't count here?


17 posted on 02/15/2007 2:05:56 PM PST by Girlene
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...potentially violent...

That is just grotesque.

18 posted on 02/15/2007 2:15:48 PM PST by RedRover
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To: Girlene

defendrob.com says

Update 11 December 2006

Today we received word the military judge has ruled against suppressing the illegally obtained NCIS statements and also ruled against releasing Rob from pre-trial confinement.


19 posted on 02/15/2007 7:29:36 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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