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A Giuliani Fundraising Mailer (appallingly invokes Reagan for un-Republican, anti-Reagan candidate)
National Journal: The Hotline ^ | 14 February 2007

Posted on 02/14/2007 3:26:41 PM PST by Spiff

A Giuliani Fundraising Mailer

The Rudy Giuliani Exploratory Cmte. sent out fundraising letters on 2/5.

In a letter, Giuliani paints himself as Reagan 2.0, quoting the fmr. pres. as saying "The future belongs to the free." Giuliani: "Today, as Republicans, we need to restore that optimistic spirit to our party and to the national political debate that is shaping the future of this great nation."

Giuliani writes that he believes the GOP is the "party of freedom" and then lays out the party platform of low taxes, small gov't, entitlement reform, and school choice, and then lists his GOP record as Reagan's Associate AG and NYC Mayor.

To give you the extra confidence for your investment, manager Mike Duhaime attaches a "Memorandum" addressed to "Team Rudy" detailing recent nat'l poll numbers, all of which show, on average, Giuliani leading John McCain. "More importantly," he includes polling numbers in early primary states, which are also mostly favorable toward Giuliani.

Giuliani writes: "I'm humbled by early polls that show me leading the race nationaly and in key primary states. I am ready for the tremendous amount of hard work that lies ahead to earn our party's nomination, and I would count on the help from party leaders like you."

Oh, and the 9/11 reference: "In the dark days after September 11th, I knew that the United States would neet the crisis and rise to new heights. Because people who live in freedom have much more strength than people who live in oppression." He goes on to compare it to the "story of the Old Testament ... the Second World War ... (and) the history our generation writes when we win the War on Terror."

Contribution Levels: $25, $50, $100, $250, $500, $1K

And the incentive: "Your 1st Class Stamp is an added gift!"


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This is very offensive to the legacy of Ronald Reagan. Not only are Giuliani's liberal views nearly the polar opposite of Reagan's conservative views, but Giuliani actually opposed Reagan because of the President's views while running for Mayor of New York City.

This is from the confidential Giuliani campaign document from the 1993 mayoral campaign that was released on Monday of this week:

"The Giuliani campaign should emphasize its candidate's independence from traditional national Republican policies. Especially useful in this strategy is Giuliani's role in overturning a Reagan administration attempt to throw disabled people off the Social Security rolls, his prosecution of Republican elected officials -- especially his authorization for call his boss, Attorney General Edwin Meese III, a sleaze, and his un-Republican views on many social issues of concern to New Yorkers, like abortion, gun control and bias protection for homosexuals."

Just as the campaign admits that Giuliani is "un-Republican", he is also the anti-Reagan based upon his appallingly liberal views. To invoke Reagan, as he does in this campaign literature, is extremely deceitful and offensive. And it demonstrates that he has no shame and will stop at nothing - there is no low that he won't stoop to - to get elected.

Go here to read 27 damning pages of that 450-page document:

1 posted on 02/14/2007 3:26:46 PM PST by Spiff
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To: Jim Robinson; dirtboy; Reagan Man; EternalVigilance; narses; TitansAFC; Liz; jla; NapkinUser; ...

(((STOP RUDY 2008)))


2 posted on 02/14/2007 3:28:17 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff

Ruh-Roh! The Rudyphiles are not gonna like this.


3 posted on 02/14/2007 3:28:17 PM PST by TommyDale (Who do you trust? An ex-mayor? Or the ranking member of the House Committee on Armed Services?)
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To: Spiff
The letter talks about the party platform. Here's how Rudy really rates compared to that platform:

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue
Giuliani Clinton Dem Platform GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion Supports
Opposed
NY ban
Supports Supports Opposes
Overturning Roe v. Wade Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Taxpayer Funded Abortions Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment Opposes Opposes Opposes
Defined at
state level
Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/
Civil Unions
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Openly Gay Military Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship
for Illegal Aliens
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Tough Penalties for
Employers of Illegal Aliens
Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Sanctuary Cities/
Ignoring Immigration Law
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment Opposes
Opposes Opposes
Supports bans
Supports
Confiscating Guns Supports
Confiscated
as mayor.
Even bragged.
Supports Supports
Supports bans
Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban Supports Supports Supports  
Frivolous Lawsuits
Against Gun Makers
Supports
Filed One
Himself
Supports   Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses Supports Supports   Opposes
War in Afghanistan Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports Supports
War in Iraq Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports
Weak support
Supports
Patriot Act Supports Supports
Voted for it
2001 & 2006
Opposes Supports
"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani

4 posted on 02/14/2007 3:30:05 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff
Giuliani writes that he believes the GOP is the "party of freedom"

Rudy's platform of freedom:

You are free to come to this country illegally, come to New York and never had anyone in the employ of the city government inquire about your immigration status.

You are free to promote a perverted lifestyle. Heck, I'll even join your parades.

You are free to dismember your fetus. We'll even provide city funding if you can't pay for it.

However, you are not free to own a gun to defend yourself. Only the police can keep you safe.

5 posted on 02/14/2007 3:30:31 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dirtboy
Rudy's platform of freedom:

You are free to come to this country illegally, come to New York and never had anyone in the employ of the city government inquire about your immigration status.

You are free to promote a perverted lifestyle. Heck, I'll even join your parades.

You are free to dismember your fetus. We'll even provide city funding if you can't pay for it.

However, you are not free to own a gun to defend yourself. Only the police can keep you safe.

Some might dismiss your platform as hyperbole, but those who know Giuliani's actual record as Mayor know that your list hits Giuliani positions with laser-guided accuracy. Good job!

6 posted on 02/14/2007 3:32:35 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff
Giuliani writes that he believes the GOP is the "party of freedom" and then lays out the party platform of low taxes, small gov't, entitlement reform, and school choice, and then lists his GOP record as Reagan's Associate AG and NYC Mayor.

Good for Rudy! Freedom is my #1 issue too.

7 posted on 02/14/2007 3:33:03 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong

Glad to see you endorse Rudy's platform of freedom that I laid out in post #5! I would expect nothing less from you!


8 posted on 02/14/2007 3:35:08 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Spiff

I cannot take credit. With Rudy, the contradictions are so obvious that a blind man can see them.


9 posted on 02/14/2007 3:36:06 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Spiff
In a letter, Giuliani paints himself as Reagan 2.0,...

To paraphrase a quote, "Mr. Giuliani, You are no Ronald Reagan".

Perhaps delusional is a better description of the man.

10 posted on 02/14/2007 3:38:19 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Spiff

If you spent as much time working for the candidate of your choice instead of bashing Rudy, perhaps you might get somewhere.






11 posted on 02/14/2007 3:42:28 PM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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To: Spiff
I knew who Ronald Reagan was.

Ronald Reagan was a conservative Republican.

Rudy Giuliani is a liberal Republican.

Rudy Giuliani....... you're NO Ronald Reagan!!!

And you won't get my vote either.

12 posted on 02/14/2007 3:42:28 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: dirtboy

I was responding to post #1. Freedom matters to me. Including the freedom to do things that you and others disapprove of(s).


13 posted on 02/14/2007 3:42:55 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Reagan Man

Reagan hired Rudy, you know.


14 posted on 02/14/2007 3:43:47 PM PST by HitmanLV ("I mean, that's a storybook, man!")
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To: Spiff
On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.



The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE OF GIULIANI'S LEFT-WING POLITICAL POSITIONS

15 posted on 02/14/2007 3:44:12 PM PST by NapkinUser (Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
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To: Sunsong
Including the freedom to do things that you and others disapprove of(s).

Freedom to dismember a fetus - paid for with tax dollars if necessary. Freedom to come here illegally and get sanctuary in NYC. Freedom to promote perversion as morally equivalent to marriage.

Some freedom.

16 posted on 02/14/2007 3:45:10 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Spiff

17 posted on 02/14/2007 3:45:40 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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To: Hildy; Spiff
If you spent as much time working for the candidate of your choice instead of bashing Rudy, perhaps you might get somewhere.

Perhaps, however a viable Republican hasn't hit the MSM as of yet and since this is an article driven site...

18 posted on 02/14/2007 3:46:31 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Hildy
If you spent as much time working for the candidate of your choice instead of bashing Rudy, perhaps you might get somewhere.

If the GOP nominates Rudy, it will go nowhere.

19 posted on 02/14/2007 3:46:58 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Spiff
Rudy's campaign is moving thru the nation like Rollin' Thunder.

All the turkeys better get out of the way.

20 posted on 02/14/2007 3:47:07 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Spiff

BTTT


21 posted on 02/14/2007 3:47:40 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: FreeInWV; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; EternalVigilance; B Knotts; jmc813; Kimberly GG; Sun; ...
Reagan picked Sandra Day O'Connor for the U.S. supreme court.

Reagan picked Bay Buchanan to be treasurer of the United States of American. Yet you'll see no love for conservative Bay Buchanan or her conservative brother Patrick.

Reagan was the greatest modern president, but he is hardly infallible. And I bet if he were still alive he wouldn't endorse Giuliani.
22 posted on 02/14/2007 3:47:41 PM PST by NapkinUser (Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Rudy's campaign is moving thru the nation like Rollin' Thunder. All the turkeys better get out of the way.

Eleven months is an eternity in politics. Howard Dean went from frontrunner to footnote in a matter of weeks.

23 posted on 02/14/2007 3:48:21 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Spiff
The Giuliani campaign should emphasize its candidate's independence from traditional national Republican policies.

But now Rudy seeks national Republican office. And has the gall to try and wrap Reagan's mantle around his shoulder as his supporters trash Reagan's legacy on FR. What hypocrites.

24 posted on 02/14/2007 3:50:10 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: HitmanLV
"Reagan hired Rudy, you know."

This just proves that Reagan either had a lapse in judgment or his staff did a really poor job of vetting Rudy Giuliani.

25 posted on 02/14/2007 3:50:13 PM PST by TommyDale (Who do you trust? An ex-mayor? Or the ranking member of the House Committee on Armed Services?)
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To: Hildy
If you spent as much time working for the candidate of your choice instead of bashing Rudy, perhaps you might get somewhere.

Giuliani is a pro-partial birth abortion liberal who deserves everything I give him and more.

None of the actual Republican candidates in the race have much of a chance until the liberal frontrunners get knocked out and we must knock them out early. I know that's a long shot, but conservative Republicans need to do their part to make that happen. The playing field needs to be levelled so that those who actually follow the Party Platform have a chance.

There's a lot more in the works amongst conservative Republican Party activists to take down Giuliani. Count on it and watch Rudy's GOP poll numbers dive as this election progresses.

26 posted on 02/14/2007 3:50:13 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff
Now post a REAGAN pic with Duncan Hunter
27 posted on 02/14/2007 3:50:15 PM PST by LASVEGASBRETT (PRESIDENT GIULIANI doesnt that sound better than President Hillary Clinton)
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To: HitmanLV
The Reagan administration hired and appointed many people. Some were moderates like Sandra Day O'Conner, some libertarian-conservatives like Jean Kirkpatrick, and even a few liberals like Rudy Giuliani.

Since Reagan hired Rudy to two different positions, I should vote for Rudy. That is absurd. Outrageous. Rudy worked for Gerald Ford too. BFD. Rudy is a liberal. As a conservative, I would never consider voting for a liberal.
28 posted on 02/14/2007 3:50:40 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: Spiff

Given the fact that Ronald Reagan was pro choice before he began running for President, I'd say your hysterics are unwarranted...to say the least.


29 posted on 02/14/2007 3:51:14 PM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: dirtboy

You boys who hate Rudy so vehemently crack me up.

You remind of some of the old men at my golf club - they can't play a lick, they hate their wives, they hate themselves, and all they do - all day long is b_tch about how life has short changed them.

Sad angry (very old) men.

But - fun to watch - you make the rest of us glad we're not you - or living your life.


30 posted on 02/14/2007 3:51:40 PM PST by Jake The Goose
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To: HitmanLV
Reagan hired Rudy, you know.

And after he worked for Reagan he set to trashing him and distancing himself from him when he ran for Mayor of NYC. He can't lay claim to anything to do with Reagan given his betrayal and his anti-Reagan/un-Republican views.

31 posted on 02/14/2007 3:51:41 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: NapkinUser
The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

Ahem, that would be "amend" not rewrite...

There is a difference.

32 posted on 02/14/2007 3:51:47 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Spiff

This over-the-top foaming at the mouth is kindof amusing.

Once it's down to one candidate, what are you going to do? Vote for Hillary just to show off how mad you are?


33 posted on 02/14/2007 3:51:47 PM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: Sunsong
I was responding to post #1. Freedom matters to me. Including the freedom to do things that you and others disapprove of(s).

For example, kill unborn babies.

34 posted on 02/14/2007 3:53:14 PM PST by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: LASVEGASBRETT
Now post a REAGAN pic with Duncan Hunter

How can we possibly argue with that? A photo with the Gipper is the key criteria for evaluating who should be the nominee in 2008.

35 posted on 02/14/2007 3:53:27 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: NapkinUser

Thanks for da ping. All Rudy!, all the time, on FR. Hope enough people see his true face.


36 posted on 02/14/2007 3:53:37 PM PST by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: LASVEGASBRETT

37 posted on 02/14/2007 3:53:44 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: Spiff

Freedom has be relegated to lip service status, to be dusted off and brought out of the closet each election year, and then put away and forgotten.


38 posted on 02/14/2007 3:53:49 PM PST by mysterio
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To: TommyDale
This just proves that Reagan either had a lapse in judgment or his staff did a really poor job of vetting Rudy Giuliani.

Actually, it's proof of neither. It might be evidence of one or the other, or both, but it's not proof.

39 posted on 02/14/2007 3:54:10 PM PST by HitmanLV ("I mean, that's a storybook, man!")
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To: Jake The Goose
You boys who hate Rudy so vehemently crack me up.

HAAATE! HAAATE!

Right out of the Clinton playbook. If you can't deflect valid criticism, just call your opponents haters so you don't have to answer the criticism.

40 posted on 02/14/2007 3:54:36 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: TommyDale
Did Reagan have a lapse in judgement when he cut and ran from Lebanon after our Marines were murdered.

Did he have a lapse in judgement when he granted unconditional amnesty to all the illegals.

Was it a lapse when he raised corporate taxes?

When he raised the cap on social security payments.

When he raised the age for retirement?

When he chose Sandra Day O'Connor, Justice Kennedy?

41 posted on 02/14/2007 3:54:38 PM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: Spiff

Time's Person of the year profile of Rudy Giuliani -
http://www.time.com/time/poy2001/poyprofile.html

Excerpt -

"Sixteen hours had passed since the Twin Towers crumbled and fell, and people kept telling Rudy Giuliani to get some rest. The indomitable mayor of New York had spent the day and night holding his city together. He raced to the scene as the second plane hit, watched human beings drop from the sky, and nearly got trapped inside his makeshift command center when the south tower imploded. Then he led a battered platoon of city officials, reporters and civilians north through the blizzard of ash and smoke, and a detective jimmied open the door to an old firehouse so the mayor could revive his government there. "

42 posted on 02/14/2007 3:55:04 PM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: Reagan Man

All I was doing was reminding the 'Reagan Man' that Rudy was good enough for the man he names himself after.


43 posted on 02/14/2007 3:55:15 PM PST by HitmanLV ("I mean, that's a storybook, man!")
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To: Ben Ficklin
Rudy Giuliani supports Partial Birth Abortion...Do You?

[GEORGE] WILL: Is your support of partial birth abortion firm?
Mayor GIULIANI: All of my positions are firm. I have strong viewpoints. I express them. And I--I do not think that it makes sense to be changing your position....
ABC News February 6, 2000


TUCHMAN: Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports.
GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.
- CNN December 2, 1999


BLITZER: If you were in the Senate and [President Clinton] vetoed, once again, the [ban on the] so-called partial-birth abortion procedure, you would vote against sustaining that against the -- in favor of the veto in other words, you would support the president on that.
GIULIANI: Yes. I said then that I support him, so I have no reason to change my mind about it.
BLITZER: All right. So the bottom line is that on a lot of these very sensitive issues whether on guns, abortion, patients' bill of rights, taxes, you are more in line with the president and by association, with Mrs. Clinton, than you are against them.
- CNN February 6, 2000

MR. RUSSERT: A banning of late-term abortions, so-called partial-birth abortions--you're against that?

MAYOR GIULIANI: I'm against it in New York, because in New York...

MR. RUSSERT: Well, if you were a senator, would you vote with the president or against the president? [Note: President Clinton was in office in 2000]

MAYOR GIULIANI: I would vote to preserve the option for women. I think that choice is a very difficult one. It's a very, very--it's one in which people of conscious have very, very different opinions. I think the better thing for America to do is to leave that choice to the woman, because it affects her probably more than anyone else....

MR. RUSSERT: So you won't change your view on late-term abortion in order to get the Conservative Party endorsement?

MAYOR GIULIANI: It isn't just that. We shouldn't limit this to one issue. I'm generally not going to change my views
- NBC Meet the Press, February 6, 2000


***Note: the version of the Partial Birth Abortion Ban that Giuliani opposed in 2000, that he said he supported Bill Clinton in vetoing the Republican-controlled Congress's legislation, contained the exception for the life of the mother that Rudy is now trying to pretend is a prerequisite for his support of it.


44 posted on 02/14/2007 3:56:07 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: dirtboy

I would like to see a picture of Reagan and Hunter. I am sure that they met and had a photo op because Hunter shares the same values as Reagan


45 posted on 02/14/2007 3:56:10 PM PST by LASVEGASBRETT (PRESIDENT GIULIANI doesnt that sound better than President Hillary Clinton)
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To: OldFriend
Given the fact that Ronald Reagan was pro choice before he began running for President

Pro choice? He signed legislation legalizing abortion for cases of rape, incest and the life of the mother. A fairly common pro-life position to this day. He saw the law abused by dishonest doctors.

And he became solidly pro-life well before he ran for president.

But go ahead. Trash the Gipper. I guess it's the only way to make your guy look bigger.

46 posted on 02/14/2007 3:56:20 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Spiff
This is very offensive to the legacy of Ronald Reagan.

It is?

Ronald Reagan doesn't seem to agree.

In 1981, Giuliani was named Associate Attorney General by Reagan.

In 1983, Giuliani was appointed U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York by Reagan.

Funny way of acting toward someone who's 'offensive' to your cause.

47 posted on 02/14/2007 3:56:28 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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48 posted on 02/14/2007 3:57:08 PM PST by Jake The Goose (This has to be Spiff - is has to be....)
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To: Jake The Goose
The phrase you are looking for is "crotchety old men"
49 posted on 02/14/2007 3:57:14 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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- Rudy tossed Arafat out of a city sponsored celebrations saying, "I would rather not have someone who has been implicated in the murders of Americans there, if I have the discretion not to have him there”.
- Rudy did the same to Fidel Castro.
- When a Saudi prince donated millions to 9/11 relief efforts and later suggested that United States policy in the Middle East may have been partially responsible for the attacks, Rudy returned the money.
- Rudy refused to meet with racial arsonist Al Sharpton.
- Rudy as mayor was strong on law and order. Rudy said that "government exists above all to keep people safe in their homes and in the streets, not to redistribute income, run a welfare state, or perform social engineering". And Rudy backed this all up by going after both quality-of-life crimes and serious crimes. Total crime went down by some 64 percent during the Giuliani years, and murder went down 67 percent. Auto thefts went down on average about 80,000 per year.
- Rudy supported the police when the police had to enter and deal with Muslims at a mosque.
- Rudy closed down many porn shops across the city and specifically shutdown porn shops in residential neighborhoods.
- Rudy went after both low level and high level drug dealers for the first time in the cities history.
- Rudy had zero tolerance for quality of life crimes such as squeegee extortionists, graffiti vandals, panhandling and public urination.
- Rudy launched a welfare revolution, removing illegal recipients, cutting the rolls by 20% the first year alone and dropping the welfare rolls by 600,000 over the course of his plan.
- Rudy launched a work requirement program for the remaining welfare recipients. The NY Times called it slavery.
- Rudy constantly spoke out against illegitimacy and fatherless families. One of many things that Rudy said on the subject was the following: " If you wanted a social program that would really save these kids, . . . I guess the social program would be called fatherhood."
- Rudy objected to affirmative action. Rudy ended the cities set-aside program for minority contractors.
- Rudy rejected the idea of lowering the job requirement standards for minorities and woman.
- Rudy ended open-ended enrollment at the City University of NY.
- Rudy said. "it was unfair to expect middle-class kids to work their way through college by holding down jobs and going to classes while exempting students on welfare from working."
- Rudy reformed the public school system and forced out liberal chancellors who wouldn't install his reforms.
- Rudy tried to privatize 5 of the cities worst public schools.
- Rudy was for school vouchers. Rudy said, "The whole notion of choice is really about more freedom for people, rather than being subjugated by a government system that says you have no choice about the education of your child,".
- Rudy fought against public money for an art display that defiled Christ and he fought against other obscene so-called works of art.
- Rudy played hardball with city unions winning concessions from city workers that other mayors had failed to do.
- Rudy strong armed state leaders to merge the cities Housing Police and Transit Police into the NYPD saving the city hundreds of millions. Rudy did this by threatening to fire every housing and transit officer and rehire each as a city cop if legislative leaders did not go along.
- Rudy did the same with the city’s garbageman, many of whom worked only half days because the department was so overstaffed with union jobs. Rudy won $300 million in savings from them by threatening to contract out trash collection to private companies.
- Rudy cut or killed 23 levies and taxes, saving taxpayers $9.8 billion during his terms.
- Rudy cut NYC's top income-tax rate by 20.6%.
- Local NYC taxes on a family of four dropped 23.7% during Rudy's term.
- Rudy cut the commercial-rent tax.
- Rudy cut sales taxes, including taxes on clothing.
- Rudy cut the marriage penalty on taxpaying couples.
- Rudy cut taxes on commercial rents everywhere outside of Manhattan’s major business districts, and various taxes on small businesses and self-employed New Yorkers.
- Rudy's expenditure growth averaged 2.9% annually, while local inflation between January 1994 and December 2001 averaged 3.6%.
- Rudy privatized municipal assets.
- Rudy sold WNYC radio for $20 million, WNYC-TV for $207 million, and NYC's share of the U.N. Plaza Hotel for $85 million.
- Rudy divested the the City from the New York Coliseum adding $345 million to city coffers.
- Rudy let the private Central Park Conservancy manage Central Park.
- Rudy cut NYC's hotel tax from 6% to 5%. Consequently, hotel tax revenues increased from $135 million in Fiscal Year 1995 to $239 million in FY 2001.
- When asked if Rudy would raise taxes after 9/11 Rudy said that would be "a dumb, stupid, idiotic, and moronic thing to do."
- A quote from Rudy on his economic philosophy: “City government should not and cannot create jobs through government planning...The best it can do, and what it has a responsibility to do, is to deal with its own finances first, to create a solid budgetary foundation that allows businesses to move the economy forward on the strength of their energy and ideas. After all, businesses are and have always been the backbone of New York City.”
- Construction permits increased by more than 50% in the city per year during Rudy's terms.
- Tourism increased 50% in the city per year during Rudy's terms.
- City jobs increased by 430,000 to an all time high of 3.72 million during Rudy's terms.
- City personal income increased 50% during Rudy's terms.
- The percentage income that city residence paid in taxes declined from 8.8 to 7.3 percent during Rudy's terms.
- Unemployment in the city went form 10.3% to 5.1% during Rudy's terms.
- Rudy was an outstanding leader during the 9/11 crisis.
- Rudy has been a strong supporting in our WOT including supporting the mission in Iraq.
- Rudy was chosen by Ronald Reagan in 1981 as an Associate Attorney General placing him in the third highest position in the Reagan's DOJ.
- In 1983, Rudy was appointed by Reagan to be U.S. Attorney for the SD of NY. In that position, Rudy amassed 4,152 convictions including the heads of NY's so-called "Five Families". Rudy also procecuted terrorists and illegal immigrants.


50 posted on 02/14/2007 3:57:16 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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