Posted on 02/13/2007 9:04:27 AM PST by meg88
That same "accurate" poll has John Edwards winning all 50 states against Newt Gingrich.
And the poll CERTAINLY doesn't take the third party candidate who WILL be there to Rudy's right.
Very good points... For someone on this thread saying that Hillary has no qualms about facing Rudy in the General -- I assume he/she thinks that Hillary is shaking in her boots about facing Duncan Hunter.
The Rudy-phobes seem like the "conservatives" who followed Ross Perot over the cliff resulting in the first 4 years of Bubba. While many might think those years weren't so bad, I would only have to point to the terrorist attack on the WTC in 1993 -- one of the starting points for the path to 9-11. The only reason 1993-1996 wasn't a disaster was because Reagan/Bush had won the cold war and handed off a country going into the "end of history" period in which the military could be cut and the economy could even withstand the tax rate increases Bubba was stupid enough to push. We know where all that led.
Ditto and advice I am following with a few exceptions. It's simply not worth it. When I see the serial spammers trash talking good conservatives like Rep. Sessions, I know they've jumped the shark.
Indeed.
Why are we looking at polls now, isnt it too early? That's all I hear whenever a postive Rudy poll shows up, guess the negative polls are accurate!... ;)
My elementary school niece writes for her school paper, I will ask who she is endorsing... LOL
Look.
All I was doing was proving that Rudy isn't going to put NY into the red column, as many - MANY - Rudophiles declare.
It is utterly ridiculous to think ANY Republican is going to carry NY in 2008.
It is utterly ridiculous to think ANY Republican is going to carry NY in 2008.
And I was just pointing out the double standard some apply when it comes to Rudy. The world has changed since 9/11, people have changed and their priorities along with them. I wouldn't rule out Rudy or any other Republican from taking a blue state, states have flipped before and will do so again, So, it isnt a ridiculous idea as you suggest. This country is begging for a leader to take back control from liberals and their cowardice, and no I don't consider Rudy a liberal so don't say it!... ;).
---" and no I don't consider Rudy a liberal so don't say it!... ;)."---
That is a fundamental disagreement with my opinion. I do firmly believe he is a Liberal in the mold of Joe Lieberman, who is also a Liberal.
But the Democrats will win NY. Just a couple of years after 9/11 - when Bush was a hero in NY - he lost in a relative landslide in NY. That's just the way it is, sadly.
Winning in 2008 is going to be dependent on MAXIMIZING base turnout and not getting flanked by a third party. Rudy fails both of these tests. Bush lost Indies and Moderates in both 2000 and 2004 (54 to 45 for Kerry), and won both elections.
Indies are not going to go Republican - especially after eight years of GOP in the White House - in the massive, landslide amounts needed to overcome losing a biting chunk of the base. Especially when you accept the fact that Rudy will be trying to sell them a war they greatly dislike.
That is a fundamental disagreement with my opinion. I do firmly believe he is a Liberal in the mold of Joe Lieberman, who is also a Liberal.
Our fundamental disagreement is productive discussion, and it's ok with me.
But the Democrats will win NY. Just a couple of years after 9/11 - when Bush was a hero in NY - he lost in a relative landslide in NY. That's just the way it is, sadly.
I may have missed it but to what are referring when you say he lost in a landslide?
Winning in 2008 is going to be dependent on MAXIMIZING base turnout and not getting flanked by a third party. Rudy fails both of these tests. Bush lost Indies and Moderates in both 2000 and 2004 (54 to 45 for Kerry), and won both elections.
Base turn out will play a role as it always does, however this isnt any ordinary election. Many like to deny it but this is election for our survival, Islam isnt going away and no Democrat will confront the threat.
We may see many independents and moderates cross over to the Republicans this election. You can call me naive and maybe I am, I know that no one wants to compromise, but sometimes we have to bite the bullet. Rudy isnt going to run around the country confiscating guns, or doing any of the other things some fear he may do. That is just my opinion, and I do believe if we don't win the WOT we aren't going to have to worry about our guns, or anything else we hold near and dear.
Indies are not going to go Republican - especially after eight years of GOP in the White House - in the massive, landslide amounts needed to overcome losing a biting chunk of the base. Especially when you accept the fact that Rudy will be trying to sell them a war they greatly dislike.
Again we disagree, if the war on terror is important to them, they may consider Rudy the right man for the job.
thanks.
I've seen other polling data showing Hillary will beat Guiliani in New York.
One thing to bear in mind about these polls is that Hillary vs Guiliani in New York is neutral with regard to home state.
Another is that we are SOOO-O out of it in New York, that it's a waste of resources for a Republican to campaign there (where Hillary was just re-elected Senator by a huge margin).
The question is this: does Rudy enable us to win in the purple states while not causing us to lose in the red states?
Right now, it looks as though Rudy is our only possible candidate who is able to do that. Not even McCain is able to, and he was the only other possible candidate who was able to.
Things can change, in fact, they will change. If, one year from now, we're not withdrawing troops from Iraq, forgetaboutit, the Republican nomination won't be worth a bucket of warm spit. We will have a Democratic President, increased Democratic majorities in the House and Senate, and increased Democratic majorities among Governors and state legislative chambers. In short order, we will also have a Democratic majority on U.S. Supreme Court.
On the other hand, if we're withdrawing in any way that is honorable, I dare say whomever is the Republican candidate will have a chance, and McCain will rejoin Rudy as clear winners.
This is why President Bush has to start, right now, laying the ground work for our withdrawal, saying that we have done more than can be asked of any nation in terms of providing the people of another nation with the opportunity to have freedom and democracy. Our armed forces have performed marvelously well through the war and the post-war effort to reconstruct Iraq. In the end, however, a free and democratic Iraq was for the people of Iraq to achieve.
If we start withdrawing our forces, we will be able to continue to aid the Iraqis with money, technical support, special operations and air power. We can maintain that kind of support almost indefinitely. But, if we try to continue to support Iraq with ground forces, the Democrats will take over, and then completely pull the plug on that country.
The Bush administration has to figure out what kind of fallback line we have if the surge does not quickly achieve whatever it's supposed to achieve, or else we're going down and so are the Iraqis.
Last I saw Duncan Hunter was polling at 0% in the Texas Primary, not good.
Not good, but I do wish every Republican contender the best.
'...and would sooner vote for Hillary in the 2008 election..."
Then the hillary presidency would serve you just right.
"America's Mayor" is a myth created by the New York/Washington/Hollywood Axis of evil, one that is almost as noxious as Al Qaeda.
With all due respect to you,
If you will vote for Hillary over Rudy you are a lunatic.
No offense.
---"Then the hillary presidency would serve you just right."---
It would serve everybody jut right who never gave any chance to finding an candidate acceptable to both sides of the GOP.
And at least then the GOP would fight the Liberal President, as opposed to if Rudy won - in which case they would defend the Liberal President.
I need one Party fighting the Liberal President, if we're so unfortunate as to have one.
Hey Condor, what have you written lately?
Wait, I get it. You just post half-witted jokes in these forums. Keep up the good work bud.
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