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U.S. military sees alarming pattern in copter downings
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| 2/8/07
| Richard A. Oppel Jr. and James Glanz Published
Posted on 02/08/2007 9:12:52 AM PST by TexKat
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To: TexKat
A U.S. Army CH-46 Sea Knight helicopter The Army doesn't fly the Sea Knight, the Marines and Navy do. The Army uses the larger, but similar, CH-47 Chinook.
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posted on
02/08/2007 9:35:09 AM PST
by
El Gato
("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
To: SolidWood
I'm not denying there has been a new and tragic rise in downed copters, ...
Yup. My question was why. Is it just a statistical thing or have the insurgents learned new ways to shoot down copters?
To: EagleUSA
Wonder why they keep flying them into zones that have not been swept clean of bad boys ?? That's what they are for, to take the good guys into the fight to get rid of the bad guys.
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posted on
02/08/2007 9:36:25 AM PST
by
El Gato
("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
To: SkyDancer
pattern in copter downings, SkyDancer wrote: We lost like how many choppers in Vietnam? Four thousand plus comes to mind ... so in ten years, what's the daily count? Last I heard that there was no comparison to today's war and Vietnam.
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posted on
02/08/2007 9:36:35 AM PST
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
To: El Gato
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posted on
02/08/2007 9:38:00 AM PST
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
To: sappy
Maybe they are not such old weapons! It will eventually be revealed what the enemy is using. Sooner or later!
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posted on
02/08/2007 9:40:00 AM PST
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
To: Elsie
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posted on
02/08/2007 9:40:28 AM PST
by
Vaquero
(time again for the Crusades.)
To: El Gato
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posted on
02/08/2007 9:42:36 AM PST
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
To: TexKat
Almost no details in the article. Can't tell whether this is due to new tactics, new weapons or just a statistical anomaly.
To: madison10
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posted on
02/08/2007 9:44:41 AM PST
by
TexKat
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To: SolidWood
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posted on
02/08/2007 9:45:31 AM PST
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
To: TexKat
Gates in not smart enough to use the A-10
To: Vaquero
Yes unfortunately what goes around comes around.
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posted on
02/08/2007 9:55:31 AM PST
by
nepppen
(RESISTANCE IS FUTILE..............DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT..............)
To: greasepaint
The military needs to improvise and convert a few heilos to armor upgraded mini gunships and fly around flushing them out. With their budget how hard could it be?
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posted on
02/08/2007 9:59:17 AM PST
by
nepppen
(RESISTANCE IS FUTILE..............DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT..............)
To: soccer8
There is, likely, Iranian tactical support and training that is helping them.That is also true.
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posted on
02/08/2007 10:09:31 AM PST
by
org.whodat
(Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
To: soccer8
No link found in Iraq helicopter crashes: Pentagon
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US military has not established a link connecting the five helicopter crashes in Iraq over the past three weeks, a Pentagon spokesman said.
"Clearly, each time we have an aircraft go down, we take a look at it, and given the proximity of these events happening together, we'll have people looking at them not only as individual events but collectively, as to whether or not there is any correlation," spokesman Bryan Whitman told reporters.
Asked whether the frequency of the crashes meant that insurgents were better armed, Whitman said: "I don't think I can make any sort of conclusion like that at this point."
On Wednesday, the US military said seven crew members and passengers died when a US Marine helicopter crashed in Al-Anbar province, a Sunni Arab insurgent bastion west of Baghdad, earlier in the day.
Officials are investigating what caused the crash. Whitman said they have not yet indicated whether the cause was "mechanical, human (or) hostile."
The crash brings to five the number of US helicopters that have crashed in Iraq in less than three weeks.
On Sunday, the US military revealed that four US helicopters which had crashed since January 20, killing a total of 20 troops and private security guards, had been shot down by insurgents.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070208/pl_afp/usiraqunrest_070208175836;_ylt=AoYtpU_StZ7vbIcI8fsymhYUewgF
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posted on
02/08/2007 10:13:21 AM PST
by
TexKat
(Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
To: nepppen
Armor weighs a lot. Weighing a lot and helicopters don't mix. And there are many parts of a helicopter you can't armor effectively.
Even the Apaches got shot up badly in GWII.
To: Thrownatbirth
" I remember a lot of the crews immediately became COs (Conscientious Objectors)."
Never heard that one, care to expound more...thanks
To: Strategerist
You don't think we could modify a jolly green giant for hunter killer operations. The heavy lifting capability could be utilized for armament. They are fairly stout.
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posted on
02/08/2007 10:29:13 AM PST
by
nepppen
(RESISTANCE IS FUTILE..............DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT..............)
To: TexKat
The US Army flies CH47 Chinook's. I didn't know they had CH46's. Good info.
I imagine there are spotters near airfields who are relaying flight info along probable flight routes.
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posted on
02/08/2007 10:30:27 AM PST
by
xzins
(Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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