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Clinton, Giuliani Early Favorites In Pennsylvania, Quinnipiac University Poll
Quinnipiac ^ | 2/8/07

Posted on 02/08/2007 7:12:06 AM PST by areafiftyone

February 8, 2007 - Clinton, Giuliani Early Favorites In Pennsylvania, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Race Is Close In Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida
In an early look at the 2008 presidential race, Pennsylvania voters back former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani by a narrow 47 - 44 percent over New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. Arizona Sen. John McCain gets 46 percent to Sen. Clinton's 45 percent, a tie.

Clinton is in a close race with either Giuliani or McCain in three swing states polled by Quinnipiac (KWIN uh-pe-ack) University: She leads McCain 46 - 42 percent and Giuliani 46 - 43 percent in Ohio (January 30); February 7 Florida results show Giuliani over Clinton 47 - 44 percent and Clinton edging McCain 47 - 43 percent.



In a Pennsylvania primary, Clinton leads the Democratic pack with 37 percent, followed by 11 percent each for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, 2004 vice presidential candidate John Edwards and former Vice President Al Gore. Delaware Sen. Joseph Biden gets 5 percent.

Giuliani leads the Republican field with 30 percent, with 20 percent for McCain, 14 percent for former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and 4 percent for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

"While Sen. Hillary Clinton polls more votes than Barack Obama, John Edwards and Al Gore combined in the Democratic race for president, Rudy Giuliani would give her a run for the money in the general election in Pennsylvania," said Clay F. Richards, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

"The former First Lady has her work cut out for her in the Keystone state - a swing state that must be on her must-win list. Giuliani's 9/11 hero status probably will fade some in a campaign centered on other issues, but Clinton must work hard to bring up her numbers among independents and men to carry the state. And the Philadelphia suburbs already look like a key 2008 battleground in Pennsylvania," Richards added.

In other possible Pennsylvania presidential matchups:
  • Clinton 53 - 34 percent over Romney;
  • McCain 46 - 39 percent over Obama;
  • McCain 47 - 42 percent over Edwards.

Pennsylvania voters give Clinton a 53 - 39 percent favorability rating. Favorability ratings for other contenders are:
  • 61 - 18 percent for Giuliani;
  • 54 - 20 percent for McCain;
  • 39 - 15 percent for Obama, with 45 percent who haven't heard enough to form an opinion;
  • 43 - 27 percent for Edwards, with 29 percent who haven't heard enough;

  • 27 - 30 percent for Biden, with 40 percent who haven't heard enough;
  • 48 - 45 percent for Gore;
  • 30 - 48 percent for Gingrich;
  • For Romney, 76 percent haven't heard enough to form an opinion.
President Bush's Approval

Pennsylvania voters disapprove 62 - 33 percent of the job President George W. Bush is doing and say 66 - 28 percent that the nation is on the wrong track. The war in Iraq is the most important problem facing the country today, 46 percent of voters say.

Voters disapprove 66 - 29 percent of President Bush's handling of the war in Iraq and oppose 64 - 32 percent the President's plan to send 22,000 more troops to Iraq.

From February 1 - February 5, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,014 Pennsylvania voters with a margin of error of +/- 3.1 percentage points. The survey includes 438 Republicans and 442 Democrats, each with a margin of error of +/- 4.7 percentage points.

The Quinnipiac University Poll, directed by Douglas Schwartz, Ph.D., conducts public opinion surveys in Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Florida, Ohio and the nation as a public service and for research. For more data - www.quinnipiac.edu and click on Institutes and Centers, or call (203) 582-5201.

1. (If registered Democrat) If the 2008 Democratic primary for President were being held today, and the candidates were Al Gore, Tom Vilsack, Joe Biden, John Edwards, Bill Richardson, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Chris Dodd, Wesley Clark and Dennis Kucinich for whom would you vote?

                        REGISTERED DEMOCRATS
                        Tot     Men     Wom


Gore 11% 11% 11% Vilsack 1 1 - Biden 5 6 4 Edwards 11 12 10 Richardson 1 1 - Clinton 37 34 39 Obama 11 8 14 Dodd 1 1 - Clark - 1 - Kucinich 1 2 - SMONE ELSE(VOL) 2 4 1 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 2 3 1 DK/NA 17 15 18





2. (If registered Republican) If the 2008 Republican primary for President were being held today, and the candidates were Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Duncan Hunter, Sam Brownback, Tommy Thompson, Jim Gilmore, Chuck Hagel, Mike Huckabee, George Pataki and Tom Tancredo for whom would you vote?

                        REGISTERED REPUBLICANS
                        Tot     Men     Wom


Giuliani 30% 28% 33% McCain 20 24 16 Romney 4 3 5 Gingrich 14 20 8 Hunter 1 2 - Brownback 2 2 1 Thompson - - - Gilmore - 1 - Hagel 1 1 - Huckabee 1 1 1 Pataki - - 1 Tancredo - 1 - SMONE ELSE(VOL) 4 3 4 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 3 1 5 DK/NA 20 15 24





3. If the 2008 election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Hillary Clinton the Democrat and Rudy Giuliani the Republican, for whom would you vote?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Clinton 44% 7% 77% 45% 39% 49% Giuliani 47 85 15 45 52 43 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 2 2 1 3 2 2 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 1 2 1 2 2 1 DK/NA 5 4 5 5 5 6



Alghny Philly NthEst SthEst NthWst SthWst Cntrl

Clinton 49% 69% 40% 44% 46% 46% 30% Giuliani 43 24 54 50 50 44 56 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 2 2 - 3 1 3 2 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 2 - 1 - - 3 3 DK/NA 5 4 6 3 2 5 9



4. If the 2008 election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Hillary Clinton the Democrat and Mitt Romney the Republican, for whom would you vote?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Clinton 53% 14% 84% 61% 48% 56% Romney 34 73 7 25 38 31 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 2 2 2 2 4 1 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 2 2 1 3 3 1 DK/NA 9 9 6 9 7 10

Alghny Philly NthEst SthEst NthWst SthWst Cntrl

Clinton 53% 81% 57% 53% 51% 48% 38% Romney 34 11 36 33 39 36 44 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 2 2 1 2 4 5 3 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 2 - 1 2 2 2 2 DK/NA 9 6 5 10 3 9 13



5. If the 2008 election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Hillary Clinton the Democrat and John McCain the Republican, for whom would you vote?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Clinton 45% 7% 77% 47% 38% 51% McCain 46 84 16 44 52 41 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1 1 1 1 3 - WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 1 2 1 1 2 1 DK/NA 6 5 5 6 6 7

Alghny Philly NthEst SthEst NthWst SthWst Cntrl

Clinton 51% 72% 49% 41% 40% 48% 30% McCain 43 22 42 48 55 44 58 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 2 - 1 1 2 2 1 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 1 2 1 2 - 2 1 DK/NA 5 4 8 8 2 4 9



6. If the 2008 election for President were being held today, and the candidates were Barack Obama the Democrat and John McCain the Republican, for whom would you vote?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Obama 39% 7% 67% 42% 33% 44% McCain 46 81 20 40 51 42 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 2 2 2 2 4 1 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 2 2 1 1 2 2 DK/NA 11 9 9 14 11 11

Alghny Philly NthEst SthEst NthWst SthWst Cntrl



Obama 53% 65% 31% 34% 28% 45% 27% McCain 36 24 51 49 58 41 56 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 3 3 1 3 2 3 2 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 1 1 1 2 1 2 2 DK/NA 8 7 16 12 11 9 13



7. If the 2008 election for President were being held today, and the candidates were John Edwards the Democrat and John McCain the Republican, for whom would you vote?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom



Edwards 42% 10% 72% 39% 36% 47% McCain 47 81 18 48 54 41 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 1 1 - 3 2 0 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 2 2 2 3 2 2 DK/NA 8 6 8 8 6 10

Alghny Philly NthEst SthEst NthWst SthWst Cntrl

Edwards 49% 59% 41% 34% 40% 55% 31% McCain 40 27 48 54 48 39 57 SMONE ELSE(VOL) 2 3 - 1 - 2 1 WLDN'T VOTE(VOL) 3 3 1 2 1 3 1 DK/NA 7 8 9 8 10 2 10



8. Is your opinion of -- Hillary Clinton favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about her?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 53% 16% 82% 58% 48% 57% Unfavorable 39 77 10 33 43 35 Hvn't hrd enough 5 4 5 7 6 5 REFUSED 3 3 2 2 3 3



9. Is your opinion of -- Barack Obama favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 39% 22% 49% 51% 36% 42% Unfavorable 15 24 7 10 20 11 Hvn't hrd enough 45 52 43 38 43 46 REFUSED 1 2 - 1 1 1



10. Is your opinion of -- John McCain favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 54% 68% 42% 54% 60% 49% Unfavorable 20 14 25 23 22 19 Hvn't hrd enough 24 17 30 20 16 30 REFUSED 2 2 2 3 2 2



11. Is your opinion of -- Rudy Giuliani favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 61% 78% 46% 63% 66% 58% Unfavorable 18 8 28 16 18 18 Hvn't hrd enough 19 13 24 20 15 22 REFUSED 1 1 2 2 1 2



12. Is your opinion of -- Mitt Romney favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 12% 23% 3% 9% 15% 9% Unfavorable 11 6 13 15 15 8 Hvn't hrd enough 76 71 83 75 69 82 REFUSED 1 - - 1 - 1



13. Is your opinion of -- John Edwards favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 43% 26% 59% 43% 41% 45% Unfavorable 27 47 9 26 34 21 Hvn't hrd enough 29 25 29 28 24 33 REFUSED 2 2 2 2 2 2



14. Is your opinion of -- Al Gore favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 48% 17% 73% 48% 45% 51% Unfavorable 45 74 22 45 49 42 Hvn't hrd enough 4 6 3 3 4 4 REFUSED 2 2 3 3 2 3



15. Is your opinion of -- Bill Richardson favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 14% 10% 19% 16% 20% 10% Unfavorable 10 14 8 9 15 6 Hvn't hrd enough 75 76 73 75 65 83 REFUSED 1 1 1 - 1 1



16. Is your opinion of -- Chris Dodd favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 8% 4% 12% 9% 10% 7% Unfavorable 12 18 7 12 18 8 Hvn't hrd enough 78 78 80 75 70 84 REFUSED 2 1 1 3 2 2



17. Is your opinion of -- Chuck Hagel favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 9% 8% 10% 12% 12% 7% Unfavorable 11 12 10 8 15 8 Hvn't hrd enough 79 78 79 80 73 85 REFUSED 1 1 - - - 1



18. Is your opinion of -- Duncan Hunter favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 3% 5% 2% 2% 3% 3% Unfavorable 6 6 6 6 9 4 Hvn't hrd enough 91 89 92 92 88 93 REFUSED - - - 1 - -



19. Is your opinion of -- Dennis Kucinich favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 6% 3% 7% 8% 8% 4% Unfavorable 17 20 14 21 25 10 Hvn't hrd enough 76 76 78 71 66 85 REFUSED 1 1 1 1 1 -



20. Is your opinion of -- George Pataki favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 22% 28% 17% 16% 23% 21% Unfavorable 20 15 21 25 27 14 Hvn't hrd enough 56 52 61 55 47 63 REFUSED 2 4 1 3 3 2



21. Is your opinion of -- Joe Biden favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 27% 18% 35% 28% 32% 24% Unfavorable 30 44 22 27 39 24 Hvn't hrd enough 40 36 41 41 28 49 REFUSED 2 2 1 4 2 2



22. Is your opinion of -- Jim Gilmore favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 3% 3% 3% 2% 4% 2% Unfavorable 7 4 9 10 11 4 Hvn't hrd enough 89 92 88 88 85 93 REFUSED 1 2 1 - 1 1



23. Is your opinion of -- Mike Huckabee favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 5% 9% 4% 4% 6% 5% Unfavorable 8 8 10 8 12 6 Hvn't hrd enough 86 83 87 88 82 89 REFUSED 1 1 - 1 - 1



24. Is your opinion of -- Newt Gingrich favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 30% 50% 14% 25% 37% 24% Unfavorable 48 27 62 54 45 50 Hvn't hrd enough 21 20 22 20 16 25 REFUSED 2 3 2 1 3 1



25. Is your opinion of -- Sam Brownback favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 6% 9% 2% 9% 6% 6% Unfavorable 9 7 11 13 15 5 Hvn't hrd enough 83 83 86 75 77 88 REFUSED 1 1 1 3 2 1



26. Is your opinion of -- Tom Vilsack favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 6% 7% 7% 3% 9% 4% Unfavorable 7 3 10 8 7 7 Hvn't hrd enough 86 89 82 88 84 89 REFUSED 1 1 - 1 1 1



27. Is your opinion of -- Tom Tancredo favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 5% 8% 3% 6% 7% 3% Unfavorable 8 5 10 8 10 6 Hvn't hrd enough 86 86 87 85 81 91 REFUSED 1 1 - 2 1 1



28. Is your opinion of -- Tommy Thompson favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 8% 12% 6% 5% 8% 7% Unfavorable 11 10 13 9 14 8 Hvn't hrd enough 80 77 81 84 76 84 REFUSED 1 1 - 2 1 1



29. Is your opinion of -- Wesley Clark favorable, unfavorable or haven't you heard enough about him?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Favorable 14% 8% 20% 17% 16% 13% Unfavorable 19 30 10 14 30 9 Hvn't hrd enough 66 60 70 68 53 77 REFUSED 1 2 - 1 1 1



34. Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as President?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Approve 33% 71% 7% 23% 36% 31% Disapprove 62 24 91 72 59 65 DK/NA 4 6 2 5 6 3

Alghny Philly NthEst SthEst NthWst SthWst Cntrl

Approve 23% 12% 36% 38% 33% 30% 46% Disapprove 73 86 62 59 54 68 48 DK/NA 4 2 2 4 13 3 5

TREND: Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as President?

                                                                Highest Lowest
                                                                Approve Approve
                        Feb 8   Aug 15  Jun 21  May 11  Apr 6   Jun 5   May 11
                        2007    2006    2006    2006    2006    2002    2006


Approve 33 33 34 30 35 73 30 Disapprove 62 64 62 66 60 21 66 DK/NA 4 3 4 3 4 6 3



35. Generally speaking, would you say things in this country are heading in the right direction, or are they off on the wrong track?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Right direction 28% 57% 8% 20% 35% 24% Wrong track 66 35 88 76 61 71 DK/NA 5 7 4 4 5 6

Alghny Philly NthEst SthEst NthWst SthWst Cntrl

Right direction 24% 11% 24% 38% 30% 29% 32% Wrong track 72 84 71 57 63 68 61 DK/NA 4 5 5 5 7 3 7



36. What do you think is the most important problem facing the country today?

                        Tot




War (Iraq) 46%

Healthcare/Costs/ Ins/HMO's 6%

Economy Total 5% Economy general 2 Unemployment/jobs 2 Business leaving/ Outsourcing 1

Politicians Total 5% Politicians/ Campaigns general 1 Political corruption 1 Bush administration 3

Terrorism Total 5% Terrorism general 3 Security/Safety 2

Ethics/Values/ Morality Total 4% Family breakdown/ Family values 2 Lack of ethics/Morality 1 Lack of religion 1

Foreign Affairs Total 4% Foreign affairs/ policy general 1 Priorities s/b at home, not abroad 2 Middle East 1

Immigration 4%

Education general 2%

Budget general 1 Crime/Violence general 1 Energy costs general 1 Environment/Pollution 1 Poverty/Homeless 1 Social security 1 Taxes general 1 Welfare 1



Other 5 DK/NA 2



37. Which political party do you think can do a better job of handling that problem the Republican Party or the Democratic Party?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom



Republican 29% 68% 5% 13% 34% 24% Democratic 50 10 86 50 44 56 NO DIFFERENCE(VOL) 13 11 5 25 15 10 DK/NA 8 11 4 12 7 10



38. Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation with Iraq?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom



Approve 29% 65% 4% 19% 33% 26% Disapprove 66 27 93 78 63 68 DK/NA 5 8 3 3 4 6

TREND: Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the situation with Iraq?

                        Feb 8   Aug 15  Jun 21  May 11  Apr 6   Feb 13
                        2007    2006    2006    2006    2006    2006


Approve 29 31 35 29 35 37 Disapprove 66 64 62 67 62 60 DK/NA 5 5 3 4 3 3





38. Do you think going to war with Iraq was the right thing for the United States to do or the wrong thing?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Right thing 37% 73% 11% 29% 42% 33% Wrong thing 59 22 86 68 55 62 DK/NA 4 5 3 3 3 5



TREND: Do you think going to war with Iraq was the right thing for the United States to do or the wrong thing?

                        Feb 8   Aug 15  Jun 21  May 11  Apr 6   Feb 13  Dec 13
                        2007    2006    2006    2006    2006    2006    2005


Right thing 37 36 38 38 39 40 40 Wrong thing 59 58 57 57 55 55 55 DK/NA 4 6 6 5 6 4 5



40. Do you support or oppose Bush's plan to send approximately 22,000 additional U.S. military forces to Iraq?

                        Tot     Rep     Dem     Ind     Men     Wom


Support 32% 64% 7% 26% 40% 25% Oppose 64 29 90 71 58 69 DK/NA 4 7 2 3 3 6



TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: giulani; giuliani2008
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1 posted on 02/08/2007 7:12:11 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: Blackirish; Jameison; Sabramerican; BunnySlippers; tkathy; veronica; Roccus; Jake The Goose; ...

((((Poll Ping)))))


2 posted on 02/08/2007 7:12:50 AM PST by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: areafiftyone
The George Sauron Poll...


3 posted on 02/08/2007 7:14:44 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: areafiftyone

The good news keeps on rolling in.


4 posted on 02/08/2007 7:15:08 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

If Hillary can't carry Pennsylvania then we are talking Mondale here.


5 posted on 02/08/2007 7:24:57 AM PST by Patrick1
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To: areafiftyone

where is the Alleghany area of Pa?


6 posted on 02/08/2007 7:28:31 AM PST by bilhosty (to hell with ABCNNBCBS)
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To: Patrick1

From your lips...


7 posted on 02/08/2007 7:28:42 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: bilhosty

I think that is the region around Pittsburgh.


8 posted on 02/08/2007 7:38:58 AM PST by freespirited
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To: bilhosty
That's Pittsburgh and suburbs.

By the way, look at the "Haven't heard enough about him" results. Huge numbers on most of the candidates - Romney was in the 70's and he is supposedly a top tier candidate.

In truth this poll shows nothing except that the average voter knows little to nothing about most of the candidates. It truly is an exercise in futility to conduct a potential general election poll when a huge majority of voters no little to nothing about the majority of potential candidates.
9 posted on 02/08/2007 7:44:22 AM PST by tfelice
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To: areafiftyone
Clinton, Giuliani Early Favorites In...

In DECIDEDLY BLUE left-wing inner-city bastiens like FILTHADELPHIA, Pennsylvania.

NO WONDER, with not a dimes worth of difference between these two liberals.

10 posted on 02/08/2007 7:49:29 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: tfelice

This is a poll about name recognition, not about issues or whom someone would vote for, really.


11 posted on 02/08/2007 7:50:20 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors." GOHUNTER08!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Exactly - therefore its worthless, except that it shows the "second tier" candidates that they need to get to work.

Personally, I am becoming more and more jaded with the process. My guess is that by the time of the conventions I am no longer going to be a registed Republican.


12 posted on 02/08/2007 7:58:56 AM PST by tfelice
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Giuliani's a lib? When I lived in NYC the establishment was calling him Hitler, a racist and a fascist.

No wonder I like him.

13 posted on 02/08/2007 8:01:26 AM PST by zarf
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To: tfelice

Then get ready for President Hillary. Look, I have real problems with Rudy and I'm already prepared to hold my nose while I vote. I really wish there was an electable conservative out there. Ronnie, where are you when we need you?!?!


14 posted on 02/08/2007 8:04:35 AM PST by jdsteel ('nuff said (old Marvel Comics reference....))
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To: zarf
Giuliani's a lib? When I lived in NYC the establishment was calling him Hitler, a racist and a fascist.

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

15 posted on 02/08/2007 8:07:13 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors." GOHUNTER08!)
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Then get ready for President Hillary. Look, I have real problems with Rudy and I'm already prepared to hold my nose while I vote.

I won't hold my nose and vote - been there, done that and the country still is marching forward towards European style socialism. If the GOP sells out its principles and nominates a liberal, I won't vote for him. If that means that Hillary wins, then so be it. I'm getting to the point where I could care less.
16 posted on 02/08/2007 8:11:04 AM PST by tfelice
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To: zarf
Giuliani's a lib? When I lived in NYC the establishment was calling him Hitler, a racist and a fascist. No wonder I like him.

Yeah, he's a lib alright, and the libs can live with him IF he gets elected as president (since he's SO much like them), but, their main "man" is hillary, or any other liberal dem. If the race comes down to liberal RINO-rudy (God forbid) and any liberal dem, they will come down on him and destroy him in order to get their libdem to win.

By the way, I wouldn't brag about having lived in the Peoples Republic of NYC (a virtual Nanny/Police-State). It is the sheeple of this liberal inner-city hell-hole that put, and keep liberals of all stripes ("D" or "r") in power. If you like RINO-rudy, it's because you have an extremely skewed view of what being a conservative truly means.

17 posted on 02/08/2007 8:14:01 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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If you like RINO-rudy, it's because you have an extremely skewed view of what being a conservative truly means.

It cuts both ways. I live in a rural area, have so for years. Also many years in NYC. Those who only know the country haven't a clue about the opposite side of the coin.

18 posted on 02/08/2007 8:22:49 AM PST by zarf
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To: zarf
Those who only know the country haven't a clue about the opposite side of the coin.

That's like saying if a person is not a bath house-hopping homosexual, then they can't make an informed judgement about homosexual anal sex.

A conservative Christian, for example, knows enough about this degenerate from of sex to be repelled and disgusted by it, without having to engage in it.

The same goes with those that live in the country or suburbs. We read and hear enough about the crime, corruption, and and other negative effects of liberal "leadership" in the inner-cities, that we want NO PART of it, and anything that comes out of it. Including your boy, liberal RINO-rudy. Many of us are just as repelled and disgusted with the prospect of him as the leader of the entire country, as we are hillary being President.

The Republican party CAN do better, and it MUST if this nation is to survive with any resemblence to what the founders envisioned.

19 posted on 02/08/2007 8:50:29 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: DocH
Conservatives should not be concerned about Rudy and his alleged liberal views.
1) On Abortion he is pro choice but would appoint conservative judges like Scalia, Roberts and Alito.He is not pro abortion he is against it and would never advise anyone to have an abortion.
2)On Gun Control, he would not impose NYC gun laws on the rest of the nation.
3)On Gay marriage he says marriage should only be between an man and a woman.
4)He opposes partial birth abortion but would allow it only if the life of the mother was in question.
5)He is a fiscal Conservative.
6)He supports the Bush foreign policy
7) He is a strong leader and a great communicator.

He is acceptable to me and should be for most Republicans.I had my doubts about Rudy but hearing him on the Saen Hannity program alleviated some of my concerns. His poll numbers are terrific and he looks to be the strongest Republican candidate and scores very well against Hillary. If Hillary cannot carry states like New Jersey and Pennsylvania she is finished. Rudy looks very strong and so does McCain but Rudy does have the great communication ability.
20 posted on 02/08/2007 8:52:02 AM PST by Courdeleon02
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