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Iran Challenges Europe to Hand Over Holocaust 'Proof'
Asharq Al-Awsat / AFP ^ | 2/6/07

Posted on 02/06/2007 6:37:04 AM PST by Valin

TEHRAN (AFP) - An Iranian government-sponsored body set up to probe the veracity of the Holocaust has challenged Europe to hand over documents about the mass slaughter of Jews in World War II. Mohammad Ali Ramin, the head of the "World Holocaust Foundation" created after Iran's controversial Holocaust conference last year, said Austria, Germany and Poland in particular should supply documents. "They should hand over the proof for the dossier on the organized massacre of Jews in Europe during World War II to the independent international fact-finding committee affiliated to this foundation," the IRNA state news agency quoted him as saying on Tuesday.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ordered the creation of the foundation after inviting a number of controversial revisionist Holocaust researchers to a conference in Tehran in December that caused an international outcry. Ahmadinejad has repeatedly questioned the scale of the Holocaust, described the mass killing of six million Jews in World War II as a "myth" and also called for Israel to be "wiped from the map". The foreign researchers invited to the conference -- some of whom have criminal records at home -- gave papers claiming the Holocaust never happened on the scale assumed by the vast majority of historians.

Mainstream historians specialising in the Third Reich counter there is ample documentary proof that around six million Jews were killed by the Nazis in World War II although some estimates put the figure slightly higher or lower. The UN General Assembly last month unanimously approved a US-proposed resolution condemning denial of the Holocaust, in a move diplomats said was directly aimed at Iran's stance.

TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: austria; germany; holocaust; igauschwitz; iran; iraq; mahmoudahmadinejad; mohammadaliramin; patbuchanan; patrickbuchanan; patrickjbuchanan; pitchforkpat; poland; qasemsoleimani; qudsforce; theholocaust; ww2
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We now return you to the real world. Thank you for visiting Ahmadinejadland, be sure to visit our gift shop on your way out.
1 posted on 02/06/2007 6:37:10 AM PST by Valin
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To: Valin

Sick bastards.

2 posted on 02/06/2007 6:37:42 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Valin
IIRC, Auschwitz is still standing.

The Mullahs should take a junket up there and see the horrors of the ovens.

3 posted on 02/06/2007 6:40:34 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Valin

Your post one sums it up nicely.

4 posted on 02/06/2007 6:44:53 AM PST by Calpernia (
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To: Valin
This is Classic Diversion 101. By making lots of noise about the Holocaust, they can tie up the U.N. with lots of pointless resolutions.

Meanwhile, they're busy little Arab elves building their nuclear toys (Persians hate being referred to as "Arabs").

5 posted on 02/06/2007 6:44:55 AM PST by kromike
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To: Valin

I have very elderly friends who wear the proof tattooed on their arms.

6 posted on 02/06/2007 6:45:12 AM PST by Fairview
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To: BenLurkin
"The Mullahs should take a junket up there and see the horrors of the ovens."

The only thing these animals would get out the trip would be ideas to improve the death camp techniques.
7 posted on 02/06/2007 6:45:24 AM PST by poobear (Carter & Clinton - 'The Latter Day Church Of Jew Haters & Horndogs')
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To: Valin
Step One: grasp the concept of books.

Let's give them a coupla decades for that to sink in...

Then we can go on to step two.

I wonder why Ahmeniwackjob hasn't demanded proof that the U.S. owns nuclear weapons?

That would be a LOT more fun to answer!

: )

8 posted on 02/06/2007 6:45:47 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Valin

One side of this rabid pig's mouth is saying there was no holocaust of the Jews.

The other side of the rabid pig's mouth says that he wants to exterminate the Jews in a holocaust bigger than what the Nazis perpetrated.

Goes to show you can't expect logical thinking from a rabid pig.


9 posted on 02/06/2007 6:46:17 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it!)
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To: Valin

If all the movies of the liberation of those camps, the Nazi documentation, the mass graves both open and buried and the survivors testimony isn't proof what is?

What will it take for the world to wake-up to these sick dangerous lunatics?

10 posted on 02/06/2007 6:46:46 AM PST by federal
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To: BenLurkin

Ahmadinejab is the love boy of the left.

They keep telling us he is just being misinterpreted.

11 posted on 02/06/2007 6:46:47 AM PST by WBL 1952
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To: Valin

The proof is all over the world in photos and museums. This demonic "leader" are either unable or unwilling to see.

12 posted on 02/06/2007 6:46:49 AM PST by RoadTest (Get our Marines out of Pendleton's Kangaroo court!)
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To: BenLurkin

Hand over - pfft. Noone is holding it secret.

Im proud to live in a nation that keeps the memory of it dark times alive. Others should follow that example (what about a Stalin memorial ?).

13 posted on 02/06/2007 6:48:02 AM PST by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Valin
An Iranian government-sponsored body set up to probe the veracity of the Holocaust has challenged Europe to hand over documents about the mass slaughter of Jews in World War II.

They either want to destroy them or use them for ...well....fetish purposes.

Who cares whether 'I'm A Nut Job' believes the Holocaust or not? Why not ask Iran to prove it never happened? It's their problem, not the rest of the worlds. Sheesh!

14 posted on 02/06/2007 6:49:48 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: Valin

If you have to ask for "proof" your not going to believe it anyway.. ImaNutJob denies a holocaust but wants to perpetrate one on the Jews. The best argument for the necessity of a Jewish state are the holocaust deniers..

15 posted on 02/06/2007 6:50:35 AM PST by Kid Shelleen ( If a liberal weenie supports the UN and has never worn a “Blue Helmet” is he a chicken hawk?)
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To: BenLurkin

his threats and recommendatios make me think of the old expression ~ whats good for the goose is good for the gander

but it makes BETTER sense to remove the greatest threat to mideast peace from the map.

someone needs to help this sick bastard fulfil his dreams. He needs to be lifted to his eternity.


16 posted on 02/06/2007 6:51:51 AM PST by himno hero
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To: Valin
Ya know....I just had another thought. Let's entertain the request of the Ahmadinejadland.

Maybe it is time for the History of I.G. Auschwitz to be covered on every MSM to counter the fairy tales that have been told since WW2.

From Dr. Rath Health Foundation

The Birth of IG Farben and the Support for Hitler

After the First World War, all the major chemical concerns were merged into a single gigantic trust in 1926 - the I.G. Farbenindustrie A.G. - under the leadership of Carl Duisberg and Carl Bosch. Dyestuffs, pharmaceuticals, photographic supplies, explosives, and a myriad of other products poured forth in ever-growing volume and variety.

Soon after the election of July, 1932, in which the Nazis had doubled their vote, Heinrich Buetefisch [chief of the I.G. Farben - Leuna plant] and Heinrich Gattineau [a Farben official who was also an SA officer and personally known to both Rudolf Hess and Ernst Roehm]. waited upon the Fuehrer-to-be to learn whether Farben could count on governmental support for its synthetic gasoline program in the event the Nazis should attain power. Hitler readily agreed that Farben should be given the necessary support to warrant expansion of the Leuna plant.

After the seizure of power, Farben lost no time following up this auspicious introduction. Significantly, Farben's chosen channel was not the ‘Heeresleitung’ but Hermann Goering's new Air Ministry. In a long letter to Goering's deputy Erhard Milch, Carl Krauch of Farben outlined a "four-year plan" for the expansion of synthetic fuel output. Thereupon, Milch called in Generalleutnant von Vollard Bockelberg, Chief of the Army Ordnance Office, and it was agreed that the Army and the Air Ministry would together sponsor the Krauch project. A few months later Farben received a formal Reich contract calling for the enlargement of Leuna so that production would reach three hundred thousand tons per year by 1937, with Farben's sales guaranteed for ten years - until June 30, 1944 - on a cost-plus basis.

I.G. Farben and the Auschwitz Concentration Camp

Auschwitz was the largest mass extermination factory in human history, but the concentration camp was only an appendix. The main project was IG Auschwitz, a 100% subsidiary of IG Farben, the largest industrial complex of the world for manufacturing synthetic gasoline and rubber for the conquest of Europe . On April 14, 1941 , in Ludwigshafen , Otto Armbrust, the IG Farben board member responsible for the Auschwitz project, stated to his IG Farben board colleagues, "our new friendship with the SS is a blessing. We have determined all measures integrating the concentration camps to benefit our company." The pharmaceutical departments of the IG Farben cartel used the victims of the concentration camps in their own way: thousands of them died during human experiments such as the testing of new and unknown vaccines.

There was no retirement plan for the prisoners of IG Auschwitz. Those who were too weak or too sick to work were selected at the main gate of the IG Auschwitz factory and sent to the gas chambers. Even the chemical gas Zyklon-B used for the annihilation of millions of people was derived from the drawing boards and factories of IG Farben.

Medical Experiments in Auschwitz Conducted by I.G. Farben

Scientific experiments were also done in other concentration camps. A decisive fact is that IG employee SS major Dr. med. Helmuth Vetter, stationed in several concentration camps, participated in these experiments by order of Bayer Leverkusen.

At the same time as Dr. Joseph Mengele, experimented in Auschwitz with medications that were designated "B-1012", B-1034", "3382" or "Rutenol". The test preparations were not only applied to those prisoners who were ill, but also to healthy ones. These people were first infected on purpose through pills, powdered substances, injections or enemas. Many of the medications caused the victims to vomit or have bloody diarrhoea. In most cases the prisoners died as a result of the experiments.

In the Auschwitz files correspondence was discovered between the camp commander and Bayer Leverkusen. It dealt with the sale of 150 female prisoners for experimental purposes: "With a view to the planned experiments with a new sleep-inducing drug we would appreciate it if you could place a number of prisoners at our disposal (…)" – "We confirm your response, but consider the price of 200 RM per woman to be too high. We propose to pay no more than 170 RM per woman. If this is acceptable to you, the women will be placed in our possession. We need some 150 women (…)" – "We confirm your approval of the agreement. Please prepare for us 150 women in the best health possible (…)" – "Received the order for 150 women. Despite their macerated condition they were considered satisfactory. We will keep you informed of the developments regarding the experiments (…)" – "The experiments were performed. All test persons died. We will contact you shortly about a new shipment (…)"

A former Auschwitz prisoner testified: "There was a large ward of tuberculars on block 20. The Bayer Company sent medications in unmarked and unnamed ampoules. The tuberculars were injected with this. These unfortunate people were never killed in the gas chambers. One only had to wait for them to die, which did not take long (…) 150 Jewish women that had been bought from the camp attendant by Bayer, (…) served for experiments with unknown hormonal preparations."

Parallel to the tests by Behringwerke and Bayer Leverkusen the chemical-pharmaceutical and serologic-bacteriological department at Hoechst started experimenting on Auschwitz prisoners with their new typhus fever preparation “3582”. The first series of tests had results that were far from satisfactory. Of the 50 test persons 15 died; the typhus fever drug led to vomiting and exhaustion. Part of the Auschwitz concentration camp was quarantined, which led to an extension of the tests to the concentration camp in Buchenwald . In the journal of the "Department for typhus fever and viral research of the concentration camp Buchenwald" we find on January 10th, 1943: "As suggested by the IG Farbenindustrie A.G. the following were tested as typhus fever medications: a) preparation 3582 of the chem. pharm. and sero-bact. Department Hoechst – Prof. Lautenschläger and Dr. Weber – (therapeutic test A), b) methylene blue, formerly tested on mice by Prof. Kiekuth, Elberfeld (therapeutic test M)."

The first and also the second series of therapeutic tests, held in Buchenwald between March 31st and April 11th 1943 , were negative due to insufficient contamination of the tested prisoners. Neither did the experiments in Auschwitz show evident successes.

The scientific value of all these experiments, whether ordered by the IG Farben or not, was in fact zero. The test persons were in bad physical condition, caused by forced labor, insufficient and wrong nutrition and diseases in the concentration camp. In addition to this there were generally bad sanitary circumstances in the laboratories. "The test results in the concentration camps, as the IG laboratory specialists should have known, could not be compared to results made under normal circumstances".

The SS physician Dr. Hoven testified to this during the Nuremberg Trial: "It should be generally known, and especially in German scientific circles, that the SS did not have notable scientists at its disposal. It is clear that the experiments in the concentration camps with IG preparations only took place in the interests of the IG, which strived with all means to determine the effectiveness of these preparations. They let the SS deal with the – shall I say – dirty work in the concentration camps. It was not the IG’s intention to make any of this public, but rather to put up a smoke screen around the experiments so that (…) they could keep any profits to themselves. Not the SS but the IG took the initiative for the concentration camp experiments."

The Nuremberg War Tribunal


Today each of the three daughters of the IG Farben is 20 times bigger than IG Farben was at its height in 1944, the last year of the Second World War.

More importantly, for almost three decades after the Second World War, BASF, Bayer and Hoechst (now Aventis) each filled its highest position, chairman of the board, with former members of the Nazi, NSDAP:

* Carl Wurster, chairman of the board of BASF until 1974 was, during the war, on the board of the company manufacturing Zyklon-B gas
* Carl Winnacker, chairman of the board of Hoechst until the late 70's, was a member of the Sturm Abteilung (SA) and was a member of the board of IG Farben
* Curt Hansen, chairman of the board of Bayer until the late 70's, was co-organizer of the conquest of Europe in the department of "acquisition of raw materials." Under this leadership the IG Farben daughters, BASF, Bayer, and Hoechst, continued to support politicians representing their interests.

During the 50's and 60's they invested in the political career of a young representative from a suburb of the BASF town of Ludwigshafen , his name: Helmut Kohl.

17 posted on 02/06/2007 6:56:40 AM PST by Calpernia (
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To: Fairview
Funny thing about that tattoo. Did you know WHERE that tattoo came from? Let's thank IBM.
IBM and the Holocaust
Research is all there for the reading.

Only after Jews were identified -- a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately -- could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed.

But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company's custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. Until now, the pieces of this puzzle have never been fully assembled. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.

IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed complex solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich's needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.

IBM's Hollerith punch card IBM's subsidiary, Dehomag in Berlin, Germany


18 posted on 02/06/2007 6:59:58 AM PST by Calpernia (
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To: Valin

I hope EVERYONE that voted for jimmy the jerk carter in 1976 is so proud of themselves. If therehad been a real American in office instead of that worthless POS, the world might be a much better place today.

19 posted on 02/06/2007 7:00:56 AM PST by sticker
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To: RoadTest

And in the documents of the companies that funded the war. Maybe those companies should step up and tell the history.

20 posted on 02/06/2007 7:03:04 AM PST by Calpernia (
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