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Ancient Rocks Show How Young Earth Avoided Becoming Giant Snowball
Science Daily ^ | 2-5-2007 | University Of Chicago

Posted on 02/05/2007 2:38:10 PM PST by blam

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1 posted on 02/05/2007 2:38:14 PM PST by blam
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If it were possible to completely eliminate *man-made sources of CO2. (that would include breathing), how much colder would it be in Minneapolis today?
2 posted on 02/05/2007 2:45:55 PM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: blam

Long odds that Earth could support life. All delicately arranged, seemingly.


3 posted on 02/05/2007 2:48:13 PM PST by megatherium
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To: blam
Excellent post.

What the Global Warming Thought Police and Al Gore-style morons fail to appreciate is that greenhouse gasses have resuscitated a totally frozen Snowball Earth on more than one occasion in the history of our planet.


4 posted on 02/05/2007 2:48:51 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: wolfcreek

From what I recall of the climate data from the mars rovers it seems that the warmest day they've seen was a steamy -25 degree summer day.

Granted it's further away but it's a good example of what getting rid of the CO2 can do for us.


5 posted on 02/05/2007 2:50:08 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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Interesting photo, but it leaves lots of unanswered questions (IANAPG - I am not a paleogeologist). Assuming that the banded iron deposits are evidenced by the horizontal striations, what would be the cause of the lighter, angled coloration extending through those layers? It would not seem to be an indication of some other type of sediment. Perhaps it represents the effects of geologic forces acting on the sedimentary layers, indicative of twisting or upward thrusting forces? Or something else?


6 posted on 02/05/2007 2:51:42 PM PST by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: cripplecreek

The Martian atmosphere is almost all CO2 and the warmest recorded temperature ever on Mars is about 40 degrees F. Not warm but not bad, it is a rare event tho


7 posted on 02/05/2007 3:01:55 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: blam

bump for later, thanks!


8 posted on 02/05/2007 3:02:23 PM PST by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: muir_redwoods

Guess I was thinking the CO2 was mostly locked up in the poles.


9 posted on 02/05/2007 3:03:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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The Martian atmosphere is also only about 10 millibars of pressure (1% Earth). Not much CO2 or anything else there.


10 posted on 02/05/2007 3:08:39 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If you're not being shot at, it's not a high stress job.)
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To: Centurion2000

It also lacks the main greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. H2O


11 posted on 02/05/2007 3:10:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: blam

Oh man, I'm so glad I saw this story! I was just asking myself the other day, "How did the young earth avoid becoming a giant snowball?" I mean, it bugged me for the whole day -- I kept asking everyone at my office, calling my friends, but no one knew!

Wow, what a relief -- to finally find out the answer to that pressing question. Now, if someone could just tell me how teenage earth avoided becoming a massive fireball, my life will be complete!


12 posted on 02/05/2007 3:10:33 PM PST by Thrusher ("There is no peace without victory.")
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A greenhouse gas that has become the bane of modern society

A bane? Don't you mean a blessing?

No carbon dioxide = no plants.

No plants = no animals.

No plants + no animals = NO LIFE.

13 posted on 02/05/2007 3:11:40 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (I am the Cat who Walks by Himself and all places are alike to me!)
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"If it gets cold, ice caps form, chemical weathering decreases, carbon dioxide accumulates in the atmosphere, which increases the greenhouse effect and surface temperatures. If it gets hot, the rate of chemical weathering increases, the rate of burial of sedimentary carbonates increases, the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and surface temperatures decrease," Dauphas said."

Does this or does this not sound like the C02 cycle acts as a natural thermostat on the atmosphere. During "cold" spells (ice ages) C02 accumulates in the atmosphere, which eventually produces a greenhouse affect, which produces a warm spell ("global warming"), which causes faster rate of the carbon sink affect, which decreases atmpospheric CO2 and temperature over time, leading to another "cold spell" which leads to another "warm spell", etc., etc., etc.

What then, if anything, can be the net "human affect" on this? It can only be the shortening of the time between the peaks and valleys of the cycle, and possibly addding the attainment of smaller peaks and valleys during those shorter cycles.

Which could mean, possibly, that any "warming" will end sooner than currently predicted, which will be followed by a cooling, which will only end in a shorter time if............we are still affecting the carbon release/carbon sink cycle.

If, instead, our activity increases the carbon sink during an upcoming warming (which reducing greenhouses gases will do), then the warming point in the cycle will last longer, and possibly reach higher temperatures before the atmospheric CO2 becomes high enough to trigger net additions to the carbon sink; that would bring in the cooling point in the cycle again.

Even if "human activity" is part of "global warming", the "global warming" political agenda could be the opposite of what we need to do; because of how C02 works as a natural thermostat. The warm cycles produce the C02 conditions leading to the next cool cycle and the cool cycles produce a C02 condition leading to the next warm cycle. The source (medium of exchange) is not important. Each cycle, cooling or warming, produces the C02 conditions for its reversal, based on the C02 balance, not how slowly or quickly it is obtained.


14 posted on 02/05/2007 3:15:55 PM PST by Wuli
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"..when astrophysicists believe the sun was 25 percent fainter than today."

There's my highlight of the article!


15 posted on 02/05/2007 3:24:06 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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I'm surprised they don't mention it in this article, but I believe some of the oldest fossils (bacteria) can be found in some of the Canadian shield precambrian rock and date to almost 3.5 billion years ago.


16 posted on 02/05/2007 3:27:49 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: Wuli
"If it gets cold, ice caps form, chemical weathering decreases, carbon dioxide accumulates in the atmosphere,

Slowly now: chemical weathering decreases, carbon dioxide accumulates in the atmosphere,

How does a decrease in weathering lead to an increase in CO2?

If it gets hot, the rate of chemical weathering increases, the rate of burial of sedimentary carbonates increases, the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere ... decreases

Carbonate = CO3, if I’m not mistaken. So the argument is that CO3 gets buried as a result of weathering. Where does the CO3 come from? How is it buried?

I don’t follow this argument well enough to explain to anyone else.

17 posted on 02/05/2007 6:23:58 PM PST by ChessExpert (Reagan defeated the Soviet Union despite the Democratic party. We could use another miracle.)
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To: blam
...synonymous phrases in some sciences.
18 posted on 02/05/2007 6:38:41 PM PST by delacoert
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To: Sam Ketcham

Ping.


19 posted on 02/08/2007 9:09:15 PM PST by blam
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Oh man, I'm so glad I saw this story! I was just asking myself the other day
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20 posted on 02/08/2007 9:13:29 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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