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Commentary: China's dire prediction
The Washington Times ^ | February 4, 2007 | Musharraf

Posted on 02/04/2007 6:37:27 AM PST by AncientAirs

"... public opinion polls showed China with a better image than America in friendly European countries ....

"Hence, Musharraf's decision ... to assist the ... Taliban "moderates" to retake power in Kabul.

"Chinese ... view U.S. dependence on space as an asymmetric vulnerability ....

"On Jan. 11, China decided it was time to demonstrate the fragility of the U.S. military dependence on communications satellites. ... With pinpoint accuracy, the missile pulverized the Feng Yun 1-C 500 miles above Earth, scattering thousands of tiny fragments that could easily puncture the metal skin of other satellites in orbit.

"Gen. Yao Yunzhu ...If there's going to be "a space superpower," she said, "it will have company".

"Following disengagement from Iraq, U.S. defense priorities are likely to remain focused on combating terrorism while Europe's defense agenda becomes increasingly unsupportive of U.S. policies. China is eyeing an emerging geopolitical vacuum with interest. And it has no intention to play the game of nations by U.S. rules."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 02/04/2007 6:37:28 AM PST by AncientAirs
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To: AncientAirs

How interesting!

According to prophecy, China and Russia will both converge on Israel and eventually all will be against Israel. Other countries obviously share the same views against Israel that China does. What interesting times we live in!


2 posted on 02/04/2007 6:41:48 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: AncientAirs
Look - it's ALL about global warming! (A balmy 14 below zero F where I'm at this morning...).

Pay no attention to China or the Islamofascists.

3 posted on 02/04/2007 6:43:45 AM PST by an amused spectator (The 1st Minnesota Regt died fighting a culture which embraced slavery. Think about it, Ellison.)
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To: AncientAirs
I also find it appalling that the Demoncrats will do everything possible to have Bush look as a failure in Iraq. There are NO limits to what the Demoncrats will do to make that a reality. Scary times ... .
4 posted on 02/04/2007 6:44:11 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: AncientAirs
This is why I think it is foolish to make our communications too dependent on satellite relays..

If some power wiped out the satellites the economic damage would be huge yet no lives directly lost,would we shoot back?And how?GPS is satellite system so there goes the vaunted pinpoint guidance. We ought not to abandon groundwave and ionosphere based radio.

5 posted on 02/04/2007 6:46:49 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: AncientAirs

"Following disengagement from Iraq, U.S. defense priorities are likely to remain focused on ... "

enriching the Chinese, and offshoring more sensitive and security related manufacturing to China. American businesses will step up hirering of Chinese and Indian engineers via H1B in order to cut costs, while shrinking American youth's interest in vital disciplines that pay less than a school teacher. But, no need to fear, the Chinese are just like little teddy bears and they would never harm us.

Oh, and islam is just another religion, they mean us no harm.

Now go back to your portfolio, or American Idol, or whatever distraction it is that makes you happy. You're safe, the government is in control.


6 posted on 02/04/2007 6:47:23 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: AncientAirs

As the MSM pushes Ms. Clinton, keeps her on the front pages - Bill Gertz has been 'waving' frantically from the back of the room trying to get your attention on something really important...China.


7 posted on 02/04/2007 6:56:09 AM PST by yoe ("Take No Prisoners" has a lovely ring to it...............)
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To: All
China's "Chery" (which started with machines and engine technology purchased from Ford Europe for $25 million)

The "Chery" pronounced more like Chevy, I believe, started by stealing the entire design from a GM subsidiary.

Maurice "UN Oil-for-Food" Strong and "American" George Soros intended to further drive out of business car makers here by flooding our market. Frankly I don't get it. Even if it was a good car it's expected to retail for $20,000.

But a not so funny (for the occupants) story happened. "Pictures, with Cherys folded like the proverbial accordion, tell the story." They could call it the Welk?

But the important story is: Not to worry, President Hu. Our Mr. Soros and our "free" traders are working 24/7 to help the peaceful, democracy-loving free people of the democratic People's Republic of China and the heroic People's Liberation Army. Praise be to Mao.. no. Wait a minute.. uh. . . .

8 posted on 02/04/2007 7:23:27 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: AncientAirs
Weren't there a few stories back in the '90s about U.S. missile guidance secrets being smuggled to China? Something about a huge number of administration friends taking the 5th amendment or fleeing the U.S.? Something about tons of campaign money being illegally funneled into an administration's reelection campaign funds?

Its all so vague and never mentioned these days. But there's something very familiar about a particular democrat candidate though.

I just wish the news journalists would jog my memory about this stuff from the '90s. They spent so much time on President Bush's National Guard service in previous election campaigns.

9 posted on 02/04/2007 7:43:55 AM PST by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: AncientAirs
This is the money sentence:

Since then the U.S. has more than matched China's arsenal of cyberweapons -- from ultra-sophisticated logic bombs, to Trojan horses, worms, viruses and denial-of-service decoys.

We are countering the China threat, though not fast enough for my taste...
10 posted on 02/04/2007 7:48:25 AM PST by steel_resolve (China is a country without honor or morals.)
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To: Ghengis

the media is the propaganda arm of the dems. don't hold your breath waiting for them to disclose anything truly damaging about any dems... past, present, or future... domestic or international


11 posted on 02/04/2007 7:51:19 AM PST by sten
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To: AncientAirs

China bump for later..........


12 posted on 02/04/2007 8:14:50 AM PST by indthkr
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To: Ghengis

Part of the problem here is that the Bush administration has absolutely ZERO credibility to address these concerns with China -- mainly because the Bush administration has been as much a part of the problem as anyone else has.


13 posted on 02/04/2007 8:45:11 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: nmh
According to prophecy, China and Russia will both converge on Israel and eventually all will be against Israel. Other countries obviously share the same views against Israel that China does. What interesting times we live in!

One tidbit you are overlooking: China is pro-Israel. If the Middle East didn't have oil, China's only friend there would be Israel.

And all this China in prophecy stuff makes me want to puke. There is not a single direct reference to China in the Bible. Not a single mention of its people and customs. The Middle Eastern world at the time had no idea China even existed.
14 posted on 02/04/2007 9:24:54 AM PST by jonassen
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"One tidbit you are overlooking: China is pro-Israel. If the Middle East didn't have oil, China's only friend there would be Israel."

China? Pro Israel? LOL!
Care to explain HOW China is PRO Israel?
LOL!

"And all this China in prophecy stuff makes me want to puke. There is not a single direct reference to China in the Bible. Not a single mention of its people and customs. The Middle Eastern world at the time had no idea China even existed."

Perhaps you need to spend some time reading His Word instead of ah, making yourself "puke".

Surely you can discern ... just like people thought the earth was FLAT. They didn't know there were other lands beside their own, yet the Bible is CLEAR on the earth being ROUND.

Some Bible critics have claimed that Revelation 7:1 assumes a flat earth since the verse refers to angels standing at the "four corners" of the earth. Actually, the reference is to the cardinal directions: north, south, east, and west. Similar terminology is often used today when we speak of the sun's rising and setting, even though the earth, not the sun, is doing the moving. Bible writers used the "language of appearance," just as people always have. Without it, the intended message would be awkward at best and probably not understood clearly. [DD]

In the Old Testament, Job 26:7 explains that the earth is suspended in space, the obvious comparison being with the spherical sun and moon. [DD]

A literal translation of Job 26:10 is "He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end." A spherical earth is also described in Isaiah 40:21-22 - "the circle of the earth."

Proverbs 8:27 also suggests a round earth by use of the word circle (e.g., New King James Bible and New American Standard Bible). If you are overlooking the ocean, the horizon appears as a circle. This circle on the horizon is described in Job 26:10. The circle on the face of the waters is one of the proofs that the Greeks used for a spherical earth. Yet here it is recorded in Job, ages before the Greeks discovered it. Job 26:10 indicates that where light terminates, darkness begins. This suggests day and night on a spherical globe. [JSM]

The Hebrew record is the oldest, because Job is one of the oldest books in the Bible. Historians generally [wrongly] credit the Greeks with being the first to suggest a spherical earth. In the sixth century B.C., Pythagoras suggested a spherical earth. [JSM]

Eratosthenes of Alexandria (circa 276 to 194 or 192 B.C.) calcuated the circumference of the earth "within 50 miles of the present estimate." [Encyclopedia Brittanica]

The Greeks also drew meridians and parallels. They identified such areas as the poles, equator, and tropics. This spherical earth concept did not prevail; the Romans drew the earth as a flat disk with oceans around it. [JSM]

The round shape of our planet was a conclusion easily drawn by watching ships disappear over the horizon and also by observing eclipse shadows, and we can assume that such information was well known to New Testament writers. Earth's spherical shape was, of course, also understood by Christopher Columbus. [DD]

The implication of a round earth is seen in the book of Luke, where Jesus described his return, Luke 17:31. Jesus said, "In that day," then in verse 34, "In that night." This is an allusion to light on one side of the globe and darkness on the other simultaneously. [JSM]

"When the Bible touches on scientific subjects, it is entirely accurate." [DD]

Inform yourself more here:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html

In fact here's a better link to other questions you may have:

http://christiananswers.net/directry.html

Now as for China being CLEARLY stated in prophecy:

The Old Testament Book of Daniel's prophecies help explain the Book of Revelation's prophecies in Revelation 13. In chapter 7 of the Book of Daniel, Daniel saw a vision of 4 beasts rising out of the sea, representing future empires to come. The first beast was like a lion, and had a man's heart. The second beast was a bear with three ribs in its mouth. The third beast was a leopard with wings and 4 heads. The fourth beast had iron teeth and 10 horns, one of which was a man that spoke great things. These are believed the represent the Babylonian empire (the lion), Medo-Persian empire (the bear), and Greek empire of Alexander (the leopard-- Alexander had the speed of a leopard during military conquest), and the Roman empire (with iron teeth). It is also believed that the final empire may be talking about the Antichrist -- the man who speaks great things. Note that these beasts are combined into the 10-horned beast of Revelation 13, which has the mouth of a lion, feet of a bear, the speed of a leopard, and 10 horns representing a confederation of 10 states. This could be Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States, evolving into this angry beast, or the SCO miltary organization consisting of Russia, China, and four Central Asian countries, that Iran could join in the future. This may mean that there will be an increasingly close military alliance between Russia and Red China, because the beast gets its power from the dragon, which would be Red China. Note that Russia is selling some of its best military weapons to Red China, including ships, submarines, radar systems, and jet planes, and Russia is also selling nuclear power plants and missles to Iran, the green dragon. The worst nightmare would be if Russia sells its big nuclear missle carrying subs to Red China, that could happen in the future. Personally I would prefer there not be trade agreements with Red China, I think Red China and North Korea should be isolated from the world as a dangerous outlaw nations.

And in Revelation 16, the River Euphrates in Iraq is dried up so that the army of the King of the East (China?) can cross it to the Battle of Armageddon. It is interesting that a severe drought was drying up the River Euphrates in 1999, this was the worst drought in Iraq in his century, and also Turkey is building dams upstream which could dry up this river, so this is another sign that Armageddon is approaching.
Revelation 16:12 "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water therof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared."

Also referring to the dragon is Revelation 12:3:
"And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon..." 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent...he was cast out into earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

In Revelation 12 the red dragon is referring to Satan, but may also be referring to Red China, North Korea, and/or Russia, and also the Muslim terrorist green dragon. Also see the page on SARS disease, which started in Red China; I relate SARS to the Red Dragon. SARS would be a demon coming out of the mouth of the dragon Red China, described in Revelation 16, where the dragon and the two beasts send out demons.

Note that China's first leader, (and most blood-thirsty leader, the present tyrants in charge of Red China are mild compared to Mao), Chairman Mao Zedong, was born on Dec. 26, 1893, the day after Christmas. His being born at Christmas is an indication of Mao being a type of evil Antichrist. Mao's periods of greatest blood-thirstiness and terror were during China's Cultural Revolution from 1966-1976, when Mao encouraged China's youth to put on trial much of China's older adult population, to purge the country of "non-revolutionary" influences, and also when Mao exterminated Tibetan Buddhism by terror and murder, after his Chinese invasion of Tibet. Of the worst tyrants and murderers of the 20th century, only Stalin and Hitler can surpass Mao for evil. Note that Mao's death on Sept. 9, 1976, ended a 31 year period of 17 666 day cycles, as I discuss on the 666 day intervals page. If we consider Mao's birthplace in China, at Shao-shan, Hunan province, China, at geographic coordinates 27.9 N 112.6 E, we will consider the coordinates as related to Bible passage numbers, in particular the Book of Revelation, which is the main topic of this web site. Mao being born at 28 degrees N we will relate to Revelation 12:8 where the angry red dragon is cast down to earth, Revelation 12:7-9:

"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

Here the Red Dragon represents Satan, but I think a second meaning is that the Red Dragon is Red China, and Chairman Mao in particular. Mao's birth was the casting of the red dragon to earth. And the red dragon, Red China, is growing stronger and more angry. And it is interesting that in the English legend of St. George, the patron Saint of England, it was St. George who battled against the dragon. The legend is that St. George appeared in vision to the English king, Richard I, the Lionhearted, during the crusades, and inspired him then. So it is interesting that U.S. President Bush has for first name George. I think President Bush's destiny is to be a present-day St. George, to defend the world from dragons, initially from this scary green dragon of Muslim terrorism, and also from the red dragons Red China and North Korea. Its also interesting that in the legend of St. George, the dragon was in a town in Libya, and Libya is named Put in the Bible (which sounds like Putin). Also note that Arab terrorists have been based in Libya. President Bush's destiny is to lead the U.S. at this time in history, with the war against terrorism.

Recent events in Red China and North Korea:

Oct. 10, 2005. A South Korean woman visiting North Korea had her baby on Oct. 10 in North Korea, and was called in North Korea a "Unification baby". This was said to be the first person born in North Korea as a South Korean citizen, and was called in North Korea a "sign" that a North-South unification could be near.
Jan. 1, 2006. North Korea accused the U.S. of wanting to start a new Korean War.
June 17, 2006. A close approach in the sky of Mars and Saturn (within .5 degree). Note that there was talk then of North Korea preparing for a long range missile test, where the missile could reach the U.S.. This would be the Taepodong-2 missile, its longest range missle that could reach California. In August 1998 a test firing of this missile went over Japan. Perhaps this missile relates to 6-6-06, June 6 2006, as discussed on the calendar page.
Oct. 9, 2006. The first North Korea atomic bomb test.

More here:

http://www.revelation13.net/China.html

You can reject any of this.

That is your perogative. However, events are lining up according to what the Bible says. Eventually, you will see that.


15 posted on 02/04/2007 10:59:58 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh
China? Pro Israel? LOL! Care to explain HOW China is PRO Israel? LOL!

Have you been paying attention to the fact that the leaders of both China and Israel have been visiting each other quite often lately? Heck, the new Chinese fighter jet J-10 is mostly based on the Israeli Lavi that Israel provided to China. China has NEVER been anti-Israel. If the United States weren't in the way, China and Israel would be like buddy-buddy. That's the truth.

It's also your perogative to believe that China is the prophesized "red dragon." I don't buy it. The Revelations is a complex book, not something your one line quote can easily grasp. The King of the East can only refer to Iran. China and its people do not wish for the annhilation of Israel, that is perhaps your own wishful thinking.
16 posted on 02/04/2007 12:14:57 PM PST by jonassen
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To: jonassen
"Have you been paying attention to the fact that the leaders of both China and Israel have been visiting each other quite often lately? Heck, the new Chinese fighter jet J-10 is mostly based on the Israeli Lavi that Israel provided to China. China has NEVER been anti-Israel. If the United States weren't in the way, China and Israel would be like buddy-buddy. That's the truth."

Yes, I have been paying attention - apt attention.

Oh, I see, the U.S. is interfering with this best friend relationship between China and Israel. No, you don't speak the truth, nor have you been paying attention to the news.

"It's also your perogative to believe that China is the prophesized "red dragon." I don't buy it. The Revelations is a complex book, not something your one line quote can easily grasp. The King of the East can only refer to Iran. China and its people do not wish for the annhilation of Israel, that is perhaps your own wishful thinking."

How can the King of the East be Iran? Heard about CHINA having the largest military on this earth, now? I don't recall hearing or reading that about Iran. It's not "wishful thinking" that China WILL converge against Israel when the timing is right.


I always find it amusing, when you can PREDICT the political positions of China, Russia, the EU and miscellaneous countries like Iran when it comes to Israel. They NEVER, EVER side with Israels best interests. Every time the U.N. takes a vote, as predicable as the sun rises, they vote AGAINST what is in Israels best interests.

I really don't know where you are getting your "news" from ... . BTW, China is NOT a friend of the U.S.. China is a friend to Russia and terrorist countries.

'Star Wars' missile test heralds new arms race in space Jan. 19, 2007 - The Chinese used a ballistic missile to destroy one of their aging weather satellites in space. This is the first space test of such offensive military technology by any nation in more than 20 years. US officials were alarmed and angry. The event will cause fear of a new arms race in space. The test comes amid increasing fears within the Bush Administration over potentially hostile nations and terrorist groups acquiring technology to destroy crucial US space systems on which the country — and particularly its military — heavily depends. Source: TimesOnLine (UK)

Red China Attains Global Control of Ports Mar. 27, 2006 -

The Chinese-owned firm Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. has become the world's biggest port owner and cargo terminal operator. China has continued to gain control of ports in strategic positions that could support military or economic actions against the United States. Some of Hutchison's ports lie near key sea lines of communication, such as the Panama Canal, the Suez Canal and the eastern coast of the United States. Of the eight international regions with choke points labeled by the Department of Defense as "U.S. lifelines and transit regions," Hutchison has ports in six. Source: NewsMax

Commercial photos show Chinese nuke buildup Feb. 16, 2006 - Commercial satellite photos reveal that China has a secret underwater submarine tunnel and several other hidden facilities where they are engaged in a large military buildup of strategic (nuclear) weapons. The reason for their secrecy is not clear. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said during a trip to China in October that Beijing was sending "mixed signals" by building up forces in secret and without explaining their purpose. Source: The Washington Times

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060216-020211-7960r.htm

This is just a insignificant smattering of how China is making the news. Of course, you may continue to believe that China and Israel would like to be bosom buddies if the U.S. would simply butt out - I don't believe that. The U.S. as of right now, is the only consistent friend Israel has.

17 posted on 02/04/2007 12:44:13 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: sten
"the media is the propaganda arm of the dems. don't hold your breath waiting for them to disclose anything truly damaging about any dems... past, present, or future... domestic or international"

Unfortunately you are absolutely correct about the media's propensity to conceal information damaging to the Dems. About this there can be no doubt. In fact, it is painfully apparent that the media has become nothing more than an extension of the Democratic party and serves as its propaganda organ. One could also argue that academia serves much the same function.

18 posted on 02/04/2007 1:12:11 PM PST by Starboard
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To: Starboard

there would be nothing to argue... the universities are there to confirm to the students the teachings of the liberal media... which they have been receiving since they were small children.


19 posted on 02/04/2007 1:41:56 PM PST by sten
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To: nmh
China is a friend to Russia

You need to review your history.
20 posted on 02/04/2007 7:25:24 PM PST by jonassen
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