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The secret for which Sandy risked his all .... (remove documents from Mr. Clarke's files)
WND ^ | January 18, 2007

Posted on 01/18/2007 6:21:20 AM PST by IrishMike

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To: IrishMike
Do you think the truth about these men did to America's national security interests to preserve their own- will ever be known?

BTW, based on what reports about his thefts were released at the time it seemed to me Berger was pilfering millenium-terrorist related files to benefit his nascent "security consulting firm" - perhaps they had or were trying to get a big contract to write some studies for Homeland Security and also apparently had been contracted to advise the John Kerry campaign - the better to criticize "weaknesses" in Bush administration Homeland Security. ("weaknesses" being all the things Clinton was advised to do, and failed ot do, during 2000 and which remained undone by Bush from 2001-2004 due to other priorities)

Remember all the blather about "port security" that came out of the Kerry campaign? And that is coming out again now that the dhims are in charge of revisiting the 9-11 commission report? The verbiage and recommendations on this issue (and others) was probably lifted from classified after-action reports burgled by Sandy Berglar.
Perhaps Berglar and the Clinton security team dhims are aware of close calls we had from terrorist port infiltration (none briefed to the Bush team of course) and are trying to position themselves to blame Bush if and when the next attack occurs.
41 posted on 01/18/2007 7:56:37 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: IrishMike

I agree, it's an enormous story, or should be. The other thing that occurs to me is that Berger wouldn't have risked it, not only for something unimportant, but if he really felt that there would be any consequences to him if he got caught.

Basically, I think he knew in advance that even if he was found out, nothing was going to happen to him. Obviously, this would have been guaranteed by Clinton; but how did Clinton do it? Simply by relying on Bush's established habit of letting by-gones be by-gones and never holding Clinton responsible for anything? Or was there some other pressure?


42 posted on 01/18/2007 7:57:43 AM PST by livius
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Sure proof that Berger was protecting Bubba.

And even better proof that Bubba had (has?) something on Berger. You know, "Do this for me,Sandy, or I might just have to..."

43 posted on 01/18/2007 7:59:50 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: edzuk

and his disgruntlement was her waiving the FBI file on the perp


44 posted on 01/18/2007 7:59:54 AM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: Churchillspirit
I doubt Berger to take a pee without checking with the Clintons.

Aha! That explains Burglar's constant "private phone calls" and bathroom visits every half hour while visiting the archives!

45 posted on 01/18/2007 8:01:43 AM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: weezel
The TWA 800 link will carry you to the web site where the causes of TWA 800 are explained by experts. These experts saw the air accident investigation thwarted by an FBI who was directed by the White House to interfer with the NTSB investigation. 500 eyewitness reports of a missile rising to explode at the TWA 800 altitude were ignored/replaced and a CIA cartoon of the "zoom climb" of the TWA 800. The zoom climb was impossible, unless you ignore all the physical laws in this universe.

The report also delves into the records and finds that a French Rafael mobile anti aircraft missile launch system was found abandoned in Maryland under the approach landing lane to Dulles. How did it get there. The French don't know and no one in authority cares to address it, especially Bubba and company!

TWA 800

Enjoy!

46 posted on 01/18/2007 8:01:57 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: jwparkerjr
...maybe Berger was seeking protect Berger.

I tend to agree. Maybe we should just apply Occam's razor to this.

47 posted on 01/18/2007 8:05:45 AM PST by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here... move on.)
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To: Young Werther

I've mentioned this for years but the morning after when Bubba addressed the nation the look on his face was the most disfigured twist he EVER HAD. I knew then he was pertified and lieing.Wish that video would show up.It is as incriminating as the Ron Brown funeral tape


48 posted on 01/18/2007 8:06:18 AM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: Lurking in Kansas

that razer here is way too dull...wrong target


49 posted on 01/18/2007 8:06:57 AM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: Young Werther

I've seen all that, the part I'm asking for is steffy and hanoi john saying that 9-11 was like the terrorists shootdown of flight 800.


50 posted on 01/18/2007 8:09:21 AM PST by weezel
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To: weezel
They were interviewed on one of the Sunday Talkin' head shows the week of 911!

Google????

51 posted on 01/18/2007 8:13:23 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: theFIRMbss

Would you consider this assertion to be "tin foil"?

The consequences to Berger of NOT destroying the information were obviously more detrimental than the punishment for destroying classified documents -

unless he knew ahead of time that he'd just get a wrist slap instead of the statute stated punishment.


52 posted on 01/18/2007 8:13:35 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Young Werther

I tried that after I first saw your post. I suspect that google would hide it if possible.


53 posted on 01/18/2007 8:15:18 AM PST by weezel
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To: IrishMike

Let's review:

- We have some evidence that the Clinton Administration knew about Project Bojinka;

- We have two Clinton flunky lawyers appointed to the 9/11 Commission for no apparent reason, one of whom had a direct conflict of interest;

- We have Clinton flunky Sandy Berger risking prison time by intentionally stealing classified documents;

- We have Richard Clarke's non-Mea Culpa before the 9/11 Commission, in which he said such hilarious things as Sandy Berger was a great National Security Advisor, and where he tried to lay the blame for 9/11 on the first eight months of the Bush Administration;

- We have Sandy Berger leading the political charge against Curt Weldon, the one guy in Congress who wanted to know what happened to the Able Danger information.


Conclusion: the Clintons are covering their asses. And once again, the bad guys win.


54 posted on 01/18/2007 8:16:48 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Young Werther

http://twa800.com/news/kerry-transcript-9-24-01.htm

Found this!!



MATTHEWS: What do you make of that case where they--where the passengers
heading west to Salt Lake City said they wouldn't get on a plane with these
guys? They turned out to be--I think they were Hindu--they weren't even Islamic
people.

Sen. KERRY: Well, it's sad but it's understandable. I mean, there obviously
is fear abroad in the land. We have to curb that fear. I think those of us in
Washington really have a responsibility here, Chris, to balance our rhetoric and
to balance the definitions of this war with the realities of what we face in the
country. You know, we've had terrorism for a long time now. We've had the
Achille Lauro, the Munich Olympics, the pipe bomb at the Olympics in Atlanta,
the TWA 800, the bombing of embassies, and it's not going to disappear
overnight. We've always been threatened by it. What's different here,
obviously, is the nature of these individuals and what they were willing to do
in order to hurt us here at home. We can, I think, most protect ourselves by
carrying on with our way of life, with a higher state of vigilance about what's
going on around us, but mostly by increasing the capacity of our country to
gather intelligence and to fight this at its source, to fight this in other
places before they get here and to do a much much better work of international
policing and of anti-terrorist effort by fighting it abroad.


55 posted on 01/18/2007 8:19:34 AM PST by weezel
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To: weezel
and this:

http://twa800.com/news/kerry-9-11-01.htm

Larry King Live September 11, 2001 KING: Senator Kerry did your -- did you committee on international opertions and terrorism ever actually fear something like this?

SEN. JOHN KERRY (R), MASSACHUSETTS: Absolutely. Absolutely. But let me join John and I know all my colleagues in just expressing -- I think all of us here in Washington are feeling in very personal ways the loss of what's happened here. I know that I had one friend I know of already on that plane from Boston, and I dread the learning of perhaps others. But for thousands of families tonight, there is just a huge loss, and I think in every American there's a sense -- there's a fury, an intense, burning fury about this and a determination to do what is right about it.

We have always known this could happen. We've warned about it. We've talked about it. I regret to say, as -- I served on the Intelligence Committee up until last year. I can remember after the bombings of the embassies, after TWA 800, we went through this flurry of activity, talking about it, but not really doing hard work of responding.

We need to do that now and I'm confident that the size of this, the nature of this loss and the nature of this attack are going to motivate everybody to come together to do that. And I think that's imperative. And we also, I think, Larry -- I was heartened by the president's comments tonight. We need to make certain that those countries that sponsor terrorism, that support it, that harbor these fugitive are as much a part of the problem as those who engage in the terrorist acts themselves. And we need to make certain as a country we respond to that. Boldly and bravely -- not recklessly -- but boldly.

Comment: Senator Kerry lumps TWA Flight 800 in with other admitted terrorist acts like the Embassy bombings, probably forgetting for the moment that Flight 800 was publicly supposed to be an accident.

56 posted on 01/18/2007 8:29:07 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: popdonnelly

Conclusion: the Clintons are covering their asses. And once again, the bad guys win.
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Not like the good old days where the good cowboys wore white hats and always got the black hats.


57 posted on 01/18/2007 8:30:15 AM PST by IrishMike (MORE SURGE, Moqtada Al Sadr needs killing.)
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To: edzuk

I'm not sure about that .. Berger was a part of Kerry's campaign. That's tells me Berger was not on Hillary's favorites list.

Who knows .. Berger may have been trying to protect his own behind.


58 posted on 01/18/2007 8:38:10 AM PST by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: Young Werther
From the TWA800 website

"The Administration knew that in 1996, surrogates from rogue states had access to MANPADS (Man Portable Air Defense Systems) or shoulder-fired missiles in mid-eastern weapons bazaars. $5,000 would acquire the least capable model, the Russian SA-7. $50,000 would buy the most capable, the Chinese Vanguard, a deadly new missile upgraded from US Stinger technology transferred to the Chinese in the early 90's. Superior to the Stinger, this missile has a much longer range. The Administration also knew Iran had a limited number of US Stinger missiles in inventory.

The Administration was aware that, worldwide, MANPADS missiles had already claimed 26 civil transport aircraft and was only a matter of time before a U.S. Flag carrier would be targeted and hit. They knew the Administration had dodged a bullet in 1994 when Maryland State Police found a fully armed French Mistral MANPADS missile ready to fire on its tripod directly under a busy northeastern air route.

59 posted on 01/18/2007 8:44:35 AM PST by Young Werther
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To: STARWISE; Peach; Howlin; Mo1; Bahbah; mystery-ak

Hmmmmm ping!


60 posted on 01/18/2007 8:47:29 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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