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To: RightWhale
"Yes, those are the choices, and they are both the same."

Obviously FDR and Churchill didn't think so. We allied with communist Russia during WWII to fight the Nazis, so Nazism was perceived as a bigger threat to our way of life than communism was, when push came to shove back then. It was only post WWII that the cold war began in earnest.

I am no defender of communism, but if you asked me to choose, I'd rather deal with communists than I would Nazis.

13 posted on 01/16/2007 12:59:47 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

I choose neither. It's a good thing we don't have to make the choice between these two noxious braindead state systems. We get to choose Ford/Chevy or Steelers/Packers, much more important.


14 posted on 01/16/2007 1:13:37 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Bokababe

Churchill always knew the Russians would be next. There is not much difference between Nazism and Marxism- one has powerful industrialists favored by the state, and the other has powerful apparatchiks who control the factors of production and stash what they can steal in Switzerland.


30 posted on 01/17/2007 3:30:32 AM PST by steve8714 (Isn't Israel a sovereign nation? Why do they do what we tell them to do?)
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To: Bokababe

"Obviously FDR and Churchill didn't think so. We allied with communist Russia during WWII to fight the Nazis, so Nazism was perceived as a bigger threat to our way of life than communism was"

You are spouting leftist revisionist history, which always claims, falsely, some great alliance of the "left", communism and liberalism, when there was no so such philosphical or political alliance.

In fact, if everyone in the west had not been so tired in 1945, the victory over Hitler would have been followed immediately with war against Stalin until communism was gone as well.

We did not ally with "communist" Russia. We allied with Russia, period; because Russia was in a position to open an additional front against Germany. We would have allied with Russia against Germany if the Czar had still been in power. In addition we were not at war against Russia - AT THAT TIME - because it was Hitler that attacked our allies (then) not Russia. If the reverse had been true and if it had been Russia that attacked our allies (whether Czarist or communist) and not Germany, then we would have been at war with Russia, not Germany. It was not "communism" that kept Russia from attacking our allies in Europe, as we found as soon as Germany was defeated, it was simply not in Russia's national interest, at the time.

There was no western alliance with "communism", nor was there any sense communism was less evil than the Nazis; it was not yet rampaging across Europe, until the war with Germany provided the opportunity for it, and the west was just tired - not "favoring" the communists.

In the reality of history, communists and Nazis are cousins on the left; as Nazi stands for "national socialists". The Nazis were not "internationalists" like the soviets, they believed in Germany first, but they were no less socialist and equally totalitarian. As I said, they were cousins, politically.

You write on this topic (Nazis vs communism, Marxism) as if the American Marxist educators have done their job very well; with you.

As the Italian writer Oriana Fallaci wrote, on more than one occasion, speaking from experience in Italy - when Mussolini came to power the communists took off their Marxist labels and helped run his government, and after the war they put back on their communist label. The same was true all over Europe as well, in spite of the battlefield history between armies. Yes, communists who were linked with the Soviets were state enemies during the war and treated as such in those areas not controlled by the Soviets. That belies the fact that not all communists were linked with the Soviets and, as Fallaci tells us, many just changed their coats depending on who was winning - the Nazis or the Soviets.


53 posted on 01/17/2007 8:18:54 PM PST by Wuli
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