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Bering land bridge theory disputed
Express-News ^ | 12 Jan 2007 | Melissa Ludwig

Posted on 01/15/2007 7:49:20 AM PST by FLOutdoorsman

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To: gardengirl
I learned to read a lot, keep my eyes open and my mouth shut! I formed opinions early on and had my own theories about how things worked.

Can we Xerox you and sprinkle you on other threads? Seriously, people that can think for themselves are so rare...

And may I heartily agree with you, isn't it amazing what you can deduce from personal observation and how quickly out government schools squash that ability. Thank you for posting your observations.

41 posted on 01/15/2007 10:14:01 AM PST by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: SunkenCiv
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I think it was just coincidence that every large (food-bearing) large mammal in North America vanished at the same time the new (culturally-correct, pristine and non-threatening) 2-footed North American mammals arrived om scene.

Since only European white Christian males kill animals. The rest of the world is innocent. 8<)
42 posted on 01/15/2007 10:14:04 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: SandwicheGuy

Thanks for the compliment! It's amazing what you can learn by just stepping back and being quiet! I know that growing up on a farm helped shape me too. You learn a lot by watching animals and weather-everything else just builds on those lessons.:)


43 posted on 01/15/2007 10:20:27 AM PST by gardengirl
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To: gardengirl

Some of the most reknowned archeologists of all time were little more than enthusiasts when they made their big discoveries.

I think you missed the point of farmboy's question, although he wasn't very direct about it. What I interpeted from his question was a challenge of sorts namely: If those rocks existed and you knew of their location, why haven't you formally reported their existence and challenged the scientific community with your findings?


44 posted on 01/15/2007 10:23:42 AM PST by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
I think it was just coincidence that every large (food-bearing) large mammal in North America vanished at the same time the new (culturally-correct, pristine and non-threatening) 2-footed North American mammals arrived om scene.

That is sarcasm, I think, but you know, sometimes a coincidences is just a coincidence. It is quite possible that a population moved in after some event caused the collape of the large mammal population. It may have been a meteor.

45 posted on 01/15/2007 10:27:00 AM PST by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: gardengirl
You learn a lot by watching animals and weather-everything else just builds on those lessons.:)

That's right. Like my grandfather taught me when he was buiding a barn with his neighbors, you have to have a firm foundation. He was right. Once you have the basics right, you can build as high as you like... No firm foundation, you are a Leaning Tower of Pisa, forever biased.

46 posted on 01/15/2007 10:31:26 AM PST by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: contemplator

I think Farmboy has made a similar discovery and he was commiserating!

It does no good to challenge some theories, because there are just too many willfully blind people out there. Besides that, we moved when I was about 12. Haven't been back since, but the farm is still there. Given about five minutes and weather warm enough for wading, I could have you walking in those prints. I do remember they were small, both the human and equine. My feet fit well in the prints, they weren't much bigger than mine-of course they could have been a child's prints. :) The equine tracks weren't much bigger than those of my pony-probably why I noticed them in the first place. We had a huge pasture/woods and if my pony got a whiff of bridle, he was gone. I learned to track pretty well!


47 posted on 01/15/2007 10:31:37 AM PST by gardengirl
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To: fish hawk

Love yours too! LOL


48 posted on 01/15/2007 10:32:46 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, they're not." -- John Rummel)
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To: SunkenCiv; All

Notice to young, single (or old & married) archeologists - forget SunkenCiv and check this out!!!!

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=2032


49 posted on 01/15/2007 10:34:43 AM PST by sodpoodle (Official Thread Nanny)
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To: contemplator
why haven't you formally reported their existence and challenged the scientific community with your findings?

Becaaaause, unless you have a Ph.D after your name you have no credentials and cannot get a hearing. This phenomena is closely related to the 'Not Invented Here' syndrome. No academic is going to listen to a layman or quote them.

50 posted on 01/15/2007 10:35:47 AM PST by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*)
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To: sodpoodle

FORGOT TO ADD


WOMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


51 posted on 01/15/2007 10:37:38 AM PST by sodpoodle (Official Thread Nanny)
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To: SandwicheGuy

We had a childhood most kids only dream about nowadays. If our chores were done-we were free. I spent hours-days-playing in the creek. We built dams out of rock and wood, caught crawdads and minnows, learned where the clay hid under the banks, soaked up the sights and sounds of wind and water and animals.
There was this one vein of blue clay-think Picts? or was it Celts?-we smeared ourselves head to toe one day and went home when it dried. Keep in mind, we had a hand pump and a wringer washer! I thought mom was going to kill us!
We made bowls and caught tadpoles, our imaginations knew no bounds.
We just accepted the tracks in the bed of our creek as one more normal thing, no more remarkable than anything else there.


52 posted on 01/15/2007 10:38:38 AM PST by gardengirl
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To: FLOutdoorsman
I don't know if it has always been this way with the process of scientific theory-making, but I seem to hear a lot lately that if one theory on some phenomenom is right, then all others are excluded.

In this article, for example, it is assumed that if some folks came here on boats, that that would invalidate the Bering land bridge idea. In my opinion, the discussion should be about how much of the continent was populated by people from one source versus another, and how far they migrated, and how much they mixed with each other.

Another is the whole Neanderthal/homo-sapien inter-breeding thing. If they were co-inhabitants of the same area at the same time and physically capable of inter-breeding, then they did. The question is how much and to what degree that is represented in the current population.

Maybe it is just the press being ignorant or uneducated. /rant

53 posted on 01/15/2007 10:42:43 AM PST by rbookward (When 900 years old you are, type as well you will not!)
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To: gardengirl

I disagree about it doing no good to challenge some theories though, sometimes just having the challenge on record is enough even if the challenge was not successful. It's a funny thing about evidence and facts, people may willfully ignore, marginalize, or falsely interpret them, but eventually someone will come along with an open mind and set the record straight.

You should report the rocks to the closest University. There are tons of cases of things found in University collections that weren't understood or purposely miscategorized when they were discovered which were later reinterpreted.


54 posted on 01/15/2007 10:45:09 AM PST by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: SunkenCiv
claiming that the descendants of the same tribes who supposedly hunted the horse to extinction, and had never ridden a horse, suddenly found the undocumented aliens ...and decided to "break" them and ride them, is ridiculous on its face.

Except that the northern plains tribes do talk about the coming of the horse in their tribal oral histories. It's what allowed the Sioux, for instance, to move out of the Minnesota woods and onto the Great Plains in the early 18th Century, and to move from small shelters into bigger teepees that they could only transport with the help of horses and travois.

Archaeology shows no signs of pre-Columbian Indians using horses. No petroglyphs. No artifiacts. No horse bones have been found dating between the extinction ca. 10,000 years ago and ca. 1500 AD. Furthermore, Indians wouldn't need to just spontaneously figure out that you could ride these new animals. The Mexican Indians saw the Spanish riding and picked it up. Then it was just a matter of the next tribe north seeing that it could be done while the horse population exploded across the plains with ample food and no predators to speak of. Two hundred years is plenty of time for that knowledge to spread from Mexico to Minnesota.

55 posted on 01/15/2007 10:46:05 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: SandwicheGuy

Thanks, SandwicheGuy! That sums it up in a nutshell!
Pay no attention to the elephant in the corner!


56 posted on 01/15/2007 10:48:04 AM PST by gardengirl
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To: sodpoodle

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57 posted on 01/15/2007 10:49:46 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, they're not." -- John Rummel)
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To: contemplator

There are also tons of discoveries mouldering in forgotten back rooms because the evidence doesn't fit. :)

Every case I've ever seen of human prints found in rock got the same treatment-scepticism followed by outright disbelief.


58 posted on 01/15/2007 10:53:08 AM PST by gardengirl
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To: SandwicheGuy
"Becaaaause, unless you have a Ph.D after your name you have no credentials and cannot get a hearing...."

History is full of stories about the little guy actually making a difference. Of course, if you have yourself convinced that you can't win and don't even try, then the naysayers have already won without having to lift a finger to justify themselves.

In this case, it sounds like a very small town. Maybe just getting a local reporter to do a little article about some 'mysterious footprints' found in the rocks in a local creekbed would be all that would be needed to get a little attention and at least get the rocks examined and dated.
59 posted on 01/15/2007 10:53:35 AM PST by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: SunkenCiv

Smartie Sunken - LOL

For the women in the audience - take a gander at Josh Bernstein on the left of the page:

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=2032

I hope that clarifies it.

tee hee

sp


60 posted on 01/15/2007 10:57:34 AM PST by sodpoodle (Official Thread Nanny)
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