More guns equal more murders in U.S. states: study

Reuters (via Yahoo) ^ | Jan 11 2007 | Reuters (unattributed)

[spunkets]

Nope. More Guns, less Crime

[Domandred]

Study of course also does not take into account the rate of gang on gang murders (think it accounted for something like 75% of murders) where both the victim and shooter were bad guys anyways.

Also the "study" didn't mention if they looked at all the murders or just gun murders. My bet is they looked at all murders and not only gun murders.

[do the dhue]

More guns equal more murders in U.S. states

how about this for a headline?

More spoons equal more fat people in U.S. states

If guns kill people, then spoons make Mikhail Moore fat. Have you seen Al Gore lately? His keyster is growing and it is because of spoons. If someone does not attempt to ban spoons, who knows what will happen to Rosie O'Donnell. The main opponent to banning spoons is Oprah Winfrey's Surgeon Dr. Lipo Suction. Dr. Lipo Suction has been accused of opposing the spoon ban because of monetary reasons.

[quantim]

American states where more people own guns have higher murder rates,

Horsehockey.

You take Detroit out of Michigan and you've got utopia.

I'll rephrase it for the writer and those in Rio Linda:

"American states where more people are liberals have higher murder rates."

[magslinger]

The first line is either an outright lie, or they didn't bother getting to my State.

They said "American states where more people own guns", not states where there is a higher percentage of gun owners. There is a big difference. There are probably more gun owners in a lot of the highly urbanized states where a lower percentage of homes are armed than in less populous states with a much higher percentage of armed homesteads. I also noted that there was no mention of which states fit into which category nor of the two center quartiles. This is IMHO a most carefully parsed and highly biased article.

[LibFreeOrDie]

"And if it's Obama...."

See my post #20.

[endthematrix]

It may be Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research...or both.

[Cobra64]

"More than 200 million guns are privately owned in the United States, according to the Justice Department."

That number is way too low.

[Domandred]

Very interesting. Don't you love Google. I hear the CIA uses it too. :)

[tang-soo]

Paging John R. Lott. You have a call on line one.

[Dan Evans]

After dividing the states into four groups based on how many households had guns,

Not a very good way to do this kind of analysis. Different areas in different states have huge differences in homicide rates and gun ownership. A more precise way is to look at it county by county. They will find more guns equal less crime.

[Domandred]

The Foundation has six main Giving Programs toward which it directs its philanthropy:

(b) The Anti-Gun Program seeks to drive small gun dealerships out of business by placing the firearms industry completely under consumer product health and safety oversight. It misrepresents the findings of research on gun-related deaths by failing to distinguish between gun-related deaths among inner-city gang members, where the death rates from shootings are astronomical, and gun-related deaths among members of the general population, which are relatively rare. As a result, it depicts gun violence as a national epidemic, thereby creating a perceived justification for what it hopes will be the erosion of Second Amendment rights.

Nice so they funded a study about something they are against. BIAS!!!! Well as if we didn't know that already.

[spunkets]

'Check out DC: 35.4 per 100K, nobody else is even close"

They analyzed the data as 4 groups of states according the no. of households with firearms. DC probably ain't in there, or was used to slant VA, PA...

[o_zarkman44]

The only person I can trust with my guns is myself.
Definitely not any politicians.

[Dan Evans]

"American states where more people are liberals have higher murder rates."

Not just higher murder rates but higher crime rates overall where liberals run things. There is also an interesting side effect:

http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/prison.htm

[do the dhue]

Michael REAGAN Ollie North in 2008

Check this site out:

http://www.rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm

Gun Ownership - It's The Law In Kennesaw

By Jonathan Hamilton and David Burch
Marietta Daily Journal Staff Writers
http://www.mdjonline.com/StoryDetail.cfm?id=10017128&Section=Home%20Page
3-14-1


KENNESAW, Ga - Several Kennesaw officials attribute a drop in crime in the city over the past two decades to a law that requires residents to have a gun in the house.

In 1982, the Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed a law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition.

The ordinance states the gun law is needed to "protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants."

Then-councilman J.O. Stephenson said after the ordinance was passed, everyone "went crazy."

"People all over the country said there would be shootings in the street and violence in homes," he said. "Of course, that wasn't the case."

In fact, according to Stephenson, it caused the crime rate in the city to plunge.

Kennesaw Historical Society president Robert Jones said following the law's passage, the crime rate dropped 89 percent in the city, compared to the modest 10 percent drop statewide.

"It did drop after it was passed," he said. "After it initially dropped, it has stayed at the same low level for the past 16 years."

Mayor Leonard Church was not in office when the law was passed, but he said he is a staunch supporter of it.

"You can't argue with the fact that Kennesaw has the lowest crime rate of any city our size in the country," said Church, who owns a denture-making company in Kennesaw.

The author of the ordinance, local attorney Fred Bentley Sr., attributes at least some of the decrease in crime to the bill.

"I am definitely in favor of what we did," he said. "It may not be totally responsible for the decrease, [but] it is a part."

Although he is pleased with the outcome, Bentley said he was originally opposed to drafting the law.

"I didn't think it could be written in a constitutional fashion," he said. "Obviously, it was constitutional, because the American Civil Liberties Union challenged it in court and we won."

Jones said the ACLU challenged the law in a federal court just after it was passed. In response, the city added a clause adding conscientious objectors to the list of those exempt.

Although the law is now being credited with a drop in crime, Jones said that was not the law's original purpose. He also pointed out that Kennesaw did not have a big problem with crime before.

"The crime rate wasn't that high to start with. It was 11 burglaries per 1,000 residents in 1981," he said.

According to the Kennesaw Police Department, the city's most recent crime statistics show 243 property crimes per 100,000 residents in 1998, or .243 per 1,000.

The city's crime rate continues to be far below other metro Atlanta city's with similar populations, like Decatur. In 1998, Decatur recorded 4,049 property crimes per 100,000 residents.

Jones said one motivation for the council passing the ordinance had to do with publicity.

"It was done in response to a law passed by Morton Grove, Ill., outlawing gun ownership within the city limits," he said. "Several council members were upset Morton Grove had gotten a lot of attention with their ordinance so they decided to top them.

"They figured the gun ownership ordinance would knock that city right off the front pages. They were right."

Jones said the ensuing publicity surrounding the law has given Kennesaw worldwide name recognition.

"I have been to Australia and Europe and when I tell people I am from Kennesaw they recognize the name as the place that requires everyone to own a gun," he said.

But Stephenson said the issue was not publicity-driven but issue-driven.

"We believed in the right of people to own guns," he said.

Jones said he has sold 550 copies of a 1994 book about the first-of-its-kind law, "The Law Heard 'Round the World."

He said the law in its final form has many loopholes, so not everyone is required to own a gun.

"There are many outs," he said. "When you look at it, almost anyone could fit into one of the exempted groups."

Kennesaw Police Chief Dwaine Wilson said no one has ever been prosecuted under the ordinance.

Among those exempt are residents "who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine." Others exempt include the physically and mentally disabled, paupers and those convicted of a felony.

The law contains no clause addressing punishment for violating the law. If convicted, City Clerk Diane Coker said punishment would be determined by the general penalty clause of the Kennesaw Code Ordinance - probably a fine of about $100.

Jones said the unusual law has not deterred anyone from moving to Kennesaw.

"Our population has increased just like everyone's in Georgia in the past 20 years," he said. "The law really hasn't done any harm to the city's growth." The city's population in 1998 was recorded at 14,493 - a sharp increase over the 8,936 residents recorded in the 1990 census.

Cobb Chamber of Commerce president Bill Cooper said odd laws are typically not counted as strike against a city when a business is looking to relocate.

"These laws don't have laws don't have an impact on a company's decision to move to Cobb County," Cooper said.

"Many communities have strange laws that are out of date. Businesses look at many factors when relocating, such as quality of life, education, infrastructure and available workforce."

Bentley said the law actually may have helped business development.

"Kennesaw is home to more manufacturing businesses than any other Cobb city," he said. "Companies have said they want to be located in conservative areas."

[LibFreeOrDie]

Thank God Al Gore invented the Internet!

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Foundation :


Joyce Foundation ... creating a multitude of phony "grassroots" organizations to create the impression of a swell of support for gun control, when, in reality, the organizations may consist of only a few dozen members.


These are a few of the organizations that appear to be largely or completely funded by the Joyce Foundation:

* Firearms Law Center (now Legal Community Against Violence)
* Franklin County Prevention Institute
* Handgun Epidemic Lowering Plan (HELP) Network
* Indiana Partnership to Prevent Firearm Violence
* Legal Community Against Violence (formerly Firearms Law Center)
* Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence
* On-Target Coalition
* Violence Policy Center: $4,154,970 between 1996 and 2006.
* WAVE Educational fund

[Bender2]

Harvard School of Public Health?

Thought I killed all them sumbitches... in Sudden Impact!

[dk/coro]

"lol. What about DC...?"

Right on !! Blacks killing Blacks!

However, in New Orleans, Black hooligans gunned down my cousin, right in front of the Cathedral, several years ago, just as my visiting relative was getting out of his car...all for the contents of my cousin's wallet; and right in plain view of my cousin's spouse.

What cesspools...both D.C. and New Orleans!

[endthematrix]

That's WAY too many lefties! Thanks!