In honor of his 250th. I sure think it would be grand to bring back the tradition of dueling in Washington DC as a bi partisan way of resolving some of the DC beltway crowd!
Posted on 01/10/2007 10:45:15 AM PST by presidio9
Here is some real irony. With one shot Burr destroyed Jefferson's greatest enemy, Hamilton, and his greatest threat, Burr himself. Jefferson would never have been elected in 1800 but for Burr's efforts (vote fraud by Tammaney Hall was working well) however, he was pissed because there was no clear victory in the Electoral College and Burr would not concede that the country wanted J as president.
Jefferson then made it his goal to politically destroy Burr and he did. Allowing him no patronage appointments while appointing his enemies, refusing to put him on the ticket in 1804 and eventually trying him three times for Treason.
Hamilton stopped the Federalists from throwing the election in the House to Burr considering him a "Cataline" while Jefferson was just a "temporizer" with pretensions of honor. Hence, Jefferson owed his election to Hamilton.
In choosing my top 5 favorite American historical figures of the early United States, I would have to go with: (1) Alexander Hamilton; (2) Gilbert du Motier, marquis de La Fayette; (3) George Washington; (4) Benjamin Franklin; and (5) Thomas Paine.
He would have been disgusted.
He was slandered during his own lifetime as well, over his affair with Maria Reynolds.
Please listen to what I am saying: Hamilton was no conservative in the sense we know it today.
He might have been relatively conservative for his time, but no leftist would advocate today what he did back then. No Democrat would dare advocate removing the power of state governments in favor of direct Federal control, for example.
Actually, I don't know when he applied for citizenship, thought I suppose it was probably before the Constitution was ratified. Non-citizens HAVE served in our government you know. David Frum served in the Bush administration. In any case, when you think you no something somebody else doesn't, it's usually a lot simpler to say what you are thinking, instead of being cryptic.
What the man was was a Republican.
Central banking was developed in England by the Bank of England.
There is no modern economy without a Central Bank. You will never see a time when there is not one in this country for good reason.
The fact that the knee-jerk reaction to the occasion of Hamilton's 250th birthday is to bring up his death on (on a Conservative website no less) is further proof that the Jeffersonians were successful.
Edmund Burke was Irish not American.
In honor of his 250th. I sure think it would be grand to bring back the tradition of dueling in Washington DC as a bi partisan way of resolving some of the DC beltway crowd!
Wasn't Hamilton key at a couple of those Revolutionary war battles in New Jersey?
What's your point?
Lose Thomas Paine. He's the father of American Libertarianism. Take James Monroe instead.
In honor of his 250th. I sure think it would be grand to bring back the tradition of dueling in Washington DC as a bi partisan way of resolving some of the DC beltway crowd!
Hamilton's biggest blunder was writing a private letter excoriating Adams in 1800. It was stolen from the mails by Burr's minions who then gleefully published it.
He had pretty much run Adam's administration for the first three years since all the holdover cabinet officers went to him first with every question. Adams' habit of leaving the capital for months at a time to go home to Braintree made the Cabinet's dependence upon Hamilton critical. Since Adams was insanely jealous of H and hated him he flipped when he stumbled on to this influence and was beside himself when Washington forced H's appointment as second in command during the Quasi-war with France.
"Would Adams have agreed to the Louisiana Purchase if he had been President when Napoleon made the offer?" I have no doubt that he would have. Jefferson blundered into the deal having sent Livingston to negoitate only for New Orleans then started to bring up constitutional objections to the legality of the Purchase until Madison told him to can them.
"Perhaps we should thank Hamilton for the peaceful acquisition of the middle third of the continental US." Actually we should thank the Yellow Fever mosquito and the Haitian rebellion against the French. Napoleon's plan was to subject the ex-slaves in Haiti then send the French armies back into Louisiana but the loss of 25,000 soldiers in Haiti put and end to that plan. Blind luck.
Don't make stuff up. Other people are reading.
The CM does not call for Hamiltonian central banking, but for state ownership of credit.
We don't have that.
The CM does not discuss deficits or deficit spending.
Income taxes are called for by the CM, and exusted well before the CM.
Public debt long preceded Communism and has nothing to do with Communism.
The CM does not discuss the merits of paper currency versus metal currency.
If you're going to discuss modern economics you're going to have to discuss it - not wave it away with bogus references to Marxist scribblings.
Listen to what I said: He was the FATHER of American Conservativism. He couldn't afford to be a Conservative as we know them today at the time he was in. For instance, did you know that he was actually against tariffs, but he believed that they were a necessary evil for a fledgling nation trying to build its industry. This is similiar to Reagan temporarily implementing protectionist policies to revive our economy after Jimmy Carter so utterly destroyed it.
Actually he was not slandered over Maria Reynolds since HE was the one who wrote a long pamphlet describing the affair which did occur. This is probably the reason he did not succeed Washington which, of course, was exactly what Burr, Jefferson and Monroe intended by exposing the affair through Beckley.
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A "conservative" at that time was a royalist. Obviously Hamilton was NOT that though his enemies claimed he was.
However, he would be a member of the Republican party today and was EXACTLY what is considered a conservative: strong national defense, strong government finances, worked to develop a capitalistic economy, strong personal character, huge believer in the rule of law.
It is precisely because of his conservativism that he has been vilified for two hundred years using the same class warfare rhetoric and lies the Left always uses.
"No Democrat would dare advocate removing the power of state governments in favor of direct Federal control, for example." Hamilton NEVER proposed this, though Madison did at the CC. This is a typical example of the falsehoods which have been foisted on the American people for two hundred years. And it should be remembered that the Democrats (Jeffersonians) of that day opposed a strong federal government because it interfered with their SOP of looting them, and ruining property holders to buy votes.
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