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Cakewalk Crowd Abandons Bush
www.wordlnetdaily.com ^ | 1/05/06 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 01/05/2007 5:06:00 AM PST by Thorin

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To: ZULU

good read ping


41 posted on 01/05/2007 7:26:16 AM PST by jpsb
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To: roses of sharon
Run your Boy for office, I want to see him put up, lol.

At least he'll get plenty of votes in Palm Beach County. ;)

42 posted on 01/05/2007 7:29:10 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: ladyjane

You know why.


43 posted on 01/05/2007 7:37:23 AM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: mylife
"and cut ourselves off from the world"

One of the basic precepts of conservatism is that "we" does not mean "our government". "We" can mean us as individuals, as corporations, as private institutions, etc.

Pat has never argued that "we" should seal ourselves off from the rest of the world. All he has been asking is that one subset of "we", namely our overgrown quasi-socialistic, quasi-imperialistic government should spend less time engaging the rest of the world and more time doing what we are paying them to do: namely protect us from bad guys at the lowest possible cost.

When conservatives start equating "we" with our government then we may as well just be Pelosi's bitches.

44 posted on 01/05/2007 7:38:47 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: mylife
They wouldnt covet what we have if they hade hope there.

They covet what we have -- our land. They covet Texas, Arizona, New Mexico,, California, and anything else they can get.

Aztlan.
45 posted on 01/05/2007 7:40:11 AM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Pietro

I dropped Pat from my reading list long ago. He is nothing but a reactionary and alarmist about everything. Never right about anything. Not even worth the mouse click.


46 posted on 01/05/2007 7:40:14 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Then put him up for office, instead of being paid by the Anti-American liberal media.


47 posted on 01/05/2007 7:43:32 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Brilliant

re look at your map.Then re read Saddams last 12 years of terrorist influence.No, we did just right geographically.
Soon Iran will have canoes but no paddles or paddlers


by design


48 posted on 01/05/2007 7:45:20 AM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills named us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: Paul Ross

WRONG! I did read it.


49 posted on 01/05/2007 7:47:26 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: roses of sharon
Your comment is completely orthogonal to mine.

I was trying to make a point about conservatism and all you can come up with is ad hominem.

I hope that one day Pat Buchanan says something like "it is good to breathe on a regular basis."

That way people who are unable to argue rationally and can only deal with life emotionally will be forced to either wise-up or cease to exist.

50 posted on 01/05/2007 7:48:21 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Pietro

Did Pat Buchanan incorrectly quote Ken Adelman? (I personally had not heard of these Adelman quotes before.)


51 posted on 01/05/2007 7:49:45 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Paul Ross

Bump. Indeed. What's the count of propagandists on FR against Buchanan so far? I wonder who writes their paychecks. This definitely appears to be too orchestrated.

I love the smell of conspiracy freaks in the morning.

Smells like victory.

52 posted on 01/05/2007 7:54:07 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: AmericaUnited

Doesn't look like it.


53 posted on 01/05/2007 8:00:13 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Alberta's Child
Is Pat writing about the 'neocons' that old Bill Clinton accused and finger pointed for stopping him from getting OBL? I have yet to hear one angry word over Bill Clinton blaming the 'neocons' for stopping him from doing his job.
54 posted on 01/05/2007 8:02:24 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: wideawake
We're talking about American soldiers in the field being stabbed in the back by cowardly pundits.

Hyperbole doesn't help your argument. What? No dissent during wartime? How lincolnian. Toss anyone who disagrees in jail eh? I wonder what some 'conservatives' would have thought if this had applied during Clinton's fiasco in Bosnia or as Johnson ramped up the troops in Vietnam (before it became a 'conservative' cause celebre)

The Commander-In-Chief, when committing troops to war, should give some clue as to his ultimate objective.

I see. "Spreading democracy" is not a clue or an objective. Neither is 'fighting the War on Terror'. Both are open ended Wilsonian excuses to attack practically anyone.

That being said, once troops were on the ground, there is no justification for maligning their ability to succeed. That's disloyalty. I did not allow my personal distaste for President Clinton to transform me into a cheerleader for the failure of America's armed forces.

Ah yes. Freedom and liberty is now defined as speaking out when we tell you it's acceptable to speak out. I feel safe and comfy all over...

Pointing out the inconsistencies and weaknesses in a policy, be it for war or trade (Pat is a nut when it comes to his isolationist trade beliefs), is not wishing harm or failure for the troops. But at some point you must speak out against such policies or else they will be repeated. At what point would it be acceptable to mention that perhaps the War on Some Terror didn't need to go through Iraq? 2 years? 10? When Iraq votes in a theocracy and we realize giving Iraqis purple fingers may not have been such a good idea after all?

My personal opinion was that Milosevic had to go and that simply containing him was pointless in the long run

I see. And what basis from the Framers did you use to support interference in the internal affairs of another nation that did not represent a direct and present threat to the borders of this nation of states? Providing 'freedom' for another nation? We were warned about that as well.

55 posted on 01/05/2007 8:06:03 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
>>>>>>>I hope that one day Pat Buchanan says something like "it is good to breathe on a regular basis."

>>>>>>>That way people who are unable to argue rationally and can only deal with life emotionally will be forced to either wise-up or cease to exist.

Absolutely on target.

56 posted on 01/05/2007 8:18:37 AM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Did Pat Buchanan incorrectly quote Ken Adelman? (I personally had not heard of these Adelman quotes before.)

Neither have I. And while I have no doubt that Buchanan accurately quoted Adelman, I somehow think that there is a real question of context. If anything, Adelman argues for finishing off Iran with a serious overthrow effort. And does Buchanan really dispute that the warriors efforts were, once the Regime was deposed... pretty much ham-strung and hand-cuffed? Look at the kid-glove treatment given Muqtada al-Sadr. Yech. That is obviously political micro-management from the top. Everyone is entitled to an opinion on these kinds of issues as far as "execution" of the war management.

The closest I have seen of Adelman or Frank Gaffney being pessimistic was Gaffney's critical piece back in December 18, 2006 when he wrote the following stern recommendation:


Surge protector
Frank Gaffney, Center for Security Policy

(Washington, D.C.): Suddenly, "surge" is the talk of the town. Gone, for the moment at least, is "surrender" - the leitmotif, if not the stated purpose, of Jim Baker's Iraq Study Group. Now, we are told, President Bush is preparing to put substantially more troops in Iraq at least temporarily, as part of a final push to prevail there.

This idea has a certain appeal, particularly to those of us who believe that defeat is not an option. Advocates of more troops have long believed that inadequate U.S. force levels in Iraq have made it impossible to implement a "clear and hold" strategy - the only approach that has proven successful in dealing with insurgencies.

Yes, But...

There are, however, several problems with this proposal. The obvious one is that we may not have the additional troops to send to Iraq. Military commanders have long been obliged to reckon with the consequences of predictably short-sighted decisions in the early- and mid-1990s that unduly shrunk our force structure in the interest of cashing in the "peace dividend."

As a direct result, what is left of our armed forces is being sorely taxed by intensive and sustained combat operations in Iraq (and, increasingly, in Afghanistan). Army and Marine units are being cycled through the theater at a rate that is tough on the troops, their equipment, their families, the defense budget and, inevitably, on the all-volunteer force.

Under these circumstances, surging more troops into Iraq on even a short-term basis may be problematic, to say nothing of maintaining an extra 15,000-50,000 soldiers and Marines there for a couple of years time (various options said to be under consideration by the President). Then, there is the further question of whether it will have the desired effect.

Commanders in the field like the top officers in Central Command and Iraq, Generals John Abizaid and George Casey, respectively, have consistently argued in public against further expanding the American footprint in the theater. They believe it not only creates additional force-protection issues - especially when U.S. personnel are assigned hazardous duties involved in securing and patrolling insurgent strongholds. They recognize that an even larger military presence can further exacerbate the perception of many Iraqis that we are an occupying power, intensifying opposition to our efforts in country.

Ensuring That a Surge Will Help

Assuming such logistical and strategic impediments can be satisfactorily addressed, if not easily overcome, there should be one further prerequisite to the idea of adding more forces into Iraq: Call it the "surge protector."

If we are to have a chance of avoiding actions that simply add to the costs - both in terms of casualties and national treasure - associated with our deployments in Iraq, we need to ensure that our enemies will not interpret this as merely a desperate, but necessarily ephemeral, bid to defeat them. They would simply respond by redoubling their efforts, too, with a view to waiting us out and wearing us down.

In particular, all other things being equal, Islamofascist Iran will simply surge its own forces into the fight. Both directly and via their Syrian colony, Iran's regime will be dispatching more terrorists into Iraq. More money will be spent to pay for pro-Tehran militias like that of Muqtada al-Sadr. And more advanced weapons like the Iranian improvised explosive devices (IEDs) that have been killing and maiming Americans with great regularity will be brought to bear against our troops and their Iraqi counterparts.

To mitigate this danger while greatly increasing the chances of success in Iraq, President Bush must include one other component in his new strategy: A disciplined, multifaceted and determined effort to help the Iranian people overthrow their repressive and unrepresentative government.

Early returns in the local elections held in Iran last weekend offer fresh evidence of the restiveness of many Iranians with the bellicose and increasingly dangerous policies of their president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. While the regime goes to great lengths to prevent information about domestic ferment from becoming widely known, particularly outside the country, there is little doubt that we have natural allies inside the country who wish to bring down the mullahocracy as fervently as do freedom-loving people elsewhere.

Toward this end, the United States must complement whatever surging of forces it does in Iraq with focused military action against Iran's operatives and operations there, including those that operate politically, ideologically and militarily against Coalition forces and our Iraqi partners. In addition, we must mount a concerted and unrelenting domestic and global media campaign emphasizing Iran's leading role in the global jihad against the Free World and the danger a nuclear-armed Ahmadinejad government would represent.

Not least, we must use political warfare, information technologies and covert operations inside Iran, together with a comprehensive effort to cut off the Tehran regime's cash-flow. This can be done by divesting the stocks of publicly traded companies that do business in Iran and by moving rapidly to exploit available alternative fuel and automotive technologies to diminish the role oil plays in powering this country's transportation sector and those of other nations around the world.

The Bottom Line

To their credit, President Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice have already rejected the advice of the Iraq Surrender Group and its former member, newly installed Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, to begin negotiating with the Iranian mullahs. Now it is time to take the one step that can conduce to success in Iraq and make any surge of U.S. forces there justifiable: Taking on, and taking down, the terror-masters of Tehran.


57 posted on 01/05/2007 8:24:32 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross
This whole Iraq (and soon to be Iran) affair is looking more-and-more like a monkey trap.

The only difference being that at least the monkey is holding onto a real banana, while the US is now clenching ever more tightly onto some illusory dream of democracy in the shifting sands of the Middle East.

58 posted on 01/05/2007 8:47:07 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: billbears
What? No dissent during wartime?

Americans have always upheld and continue to uphold the freedom of cowardly dirtbags to dissent during wartime.

They remain cowardly dirtbags, however.

I see. "Spreading democracy" is not a clue or an objective. Neither is 'fighting the War on Terror'. Both are open ended Wilsonian excuses to attack practically anyone.

The objective in Iraq, as stated, was to end the Hussein dictatorship and replace it with a representative government.

Ah yes. Freedom and liberty is now defined as speaking out when we tell you it's acceptable to speak out. I feel safe and comfy all over...

No one is discussing civil liberty.

We are not discussing whether cowardly dirtbags like Buchanan who stab our troops in the back are legally permitted to do so.

We are discussing whether cowardly dirtbags like Buchanan who stab our troops in the back deserve praise or scorn.

I vote scorn.

At what point would it be acceptable to mention that perhaps the War on Some Terror didn't need to go through Iraq? 2 years? 10? When Iraq votes in a theocracy and we realize giving Iraqis purple fingers may not have been such a good idea after all?

When our troops are home at the end of their mission.

A mission which has already been lengthened by carping.

And what basis from the Framers did you use to support interference in the internal affairs of another nation that did not represent a direct and present threat to the borders of this nation of states?

The Framers did not constrain Congress at all from using or delegating its war powers as it saw fit.

The Framers, being intelligent, placed absolutely no limitations on America's military flexibility.

59 posted on 01/05/2007 8:47:43 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Pietro
whining neocon bump for later...........
60 posted on 01/05/2007 8:56:35 AM PST by indthkr
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