Posted on 01/03/2007 2:16:08 PM PST by Michael81Dus
Wow, his daughter is definitely a liberal, if not worse. But being a Muslim is no legal criteria to deny entry to the United States. After all, the US is still a country that puts the law higher than personal feelings.
I´m not judging him because of his picture. I claim this man is not a terrorist because HE WAS SENT BACK (and not brought to Gitmo)... And because he has no criminal or terrorist record according to the Federal Foreign Ministry of Germany. If you need more, look at the comparable stories of ordinary people who met the legal requirements of entry but were detained for a few days instead. Other examples are people who were in Gitmo for years (or at least a couple of month) after they were released with a simple "sorry" (if ever). And no, I´m all for America´s right of determining who may and who may not enter its soil - but the rules shall be understandable and equal to all, meaning that I don´t want to end in jail although I´ve done nothing wrong.
Most professionals in my field over in europe now get a business visa to the US even though it may not be required. This is widely known.
But why do we have a visa waiver program then? This program is based on reciprocity. I mean, Europe doesn´t detain your Muslim citizens entering our soil for nothing. If the US issues with tourists from VWP countries who have visited suspicious countries like Lebanon, Syria etc, they should ask for explanations before I enter the plane, so that they can check the given informations or whatever. What tourists definitely don´t want is to get in trouble the first day of a pleasure trip.
True.
But we are a bit sensitive about muslim charities. So that may be the clinker in all of this. I'd have to know more about the charity's activities to be able to pass judgement, but we've had a problem with several, supposedly gathering money for widows and orphans, and when you trace out the expenditures, they are directly supporting the baddies.
And trips back and forth to Syria can be entirely benign, but keep in mind that the terrs we deal with in Iraq are in part directed from Syria. So the head of a muslim charity running back and forth to Syria suddenly looks sinister, maybe.
A record that would be visible to us would contain information of prior convictions.
A record that wouldn't be visible to us would be flags from activity that is currently under investigation.
But why do I think you already know that and are trying to make this a anti Muslim case?
If he is German, why is his daughter here? Does his wife live here or Germany? What does he do for a living? You don't trust a US Senator?
Law enforcement can't tell everything they know: it may give away vital info to those who like us dead....
>>>>they should ask for explanations before I enter the plane, so that they can check the given informations or whatever
Are you Shehadeh?
No a German-born Christian Caucasian conservative male, BUT I´ve a Lebanese visa in my passport.
Why are you speaking in the first person then? You said before you haven't had a problem; but now you speak as if you had a problem.
Have you been stopped? My friend and her family have been back and forth on Lebanese visas and haven't had a problem, yet.
Are you reproaching me with having a anti-US agenda here???
Now tell me - why have they released him, and not allowed to enter the country after four days? I don´t understand that. I see that there must have been an information that was under investigation - but after four days, the case should have been clear, shouldn´t it?
>>>Are you reproaching me with having a anti-US agenda here???
Maybe. You are awfully defensive about Shehaden. Maybe even empathetic.
>>>why have they released him, and not allowed to enter the country after four days?
My GUESS to that was stated clearly here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1761982/posts?page=26#26
No, I never had problems to enter the US before. But what I can´t stand is arbitrariness. Government officials are bound to the law, and they have to obey the laws. If there was another reason than the leftist anti-western activities of his daughter for his arrest, I don´t question it.
I think you´re right. It was his daughter´s activities. Still obviously not alright, but at least there´s an explanation that something like this won´t happen to ordinary tourists.
My son is a U.S. citizen married to an Israeli/Russian national, living in the former USSR.
2 years ago, they were held up at the US/Canadian border after going on a day trip to Canada. They were not going to allow my daughter-in-law to come back to the US because there was an irregularity in her visa.
I don't give a scheiss about this Moslem and his made-for-media sob story.
Well, if the media´s message is "the US Immigration is run by racists" this is indeed BS. But complaining about unjust treatment is alright in my book - as it was when your daughter-in-law was denied re-entry to the US. What has she done? I mean, did she and your son took a hotel room for a day and tried again next day or what??
For many here in the US, including myself, it would be fine with us if European countries, or the EU (whichever is doing entry control these days), did so.
A number of our Muslim "citizens" consider themselves to be Muslims first, with their "citizenship" being merely secondary. That is probably true in Euroland as well.
They wre held up at the border for several hours and allowed to enter with a warning, next time if her visa is not 100% she will not be allowed in.
She is expected to get a green card and U.S. residency permit even though they do not live in the U.S. and only visit every other year.
You may remember that the 911 terrs, at least some of them, were tied back through the so-called Hamburg cell. You look at this guy and think "fellow German citizen". Our security guys probably look at him and think, "muslim residing in Germany".
You know, we read about French "youths" burning Paris on a nightly basis, and the tendency is to downplay the fact that, while yes, legally French, they are muslims residing in France. We quite frequenty scoop up baddies who are announced in the press as being Canadians, or Brits, or French, or whatever, but the fact is that they are muslims residing in these countries, maybe even citizens, but their primary loyalty is to something other than their adopted country.
It gets complicated, because often their adopted country will intervene on their behalf, in the press it sounds like we are harrassing Canadians willy-nilly, or in this case, Germans.
If I were you, and your trip to Lebanon was a trip to the beach, then get on the plane and come on, and don't think twice about it. If you're coming to my town, I'll invite you to coffee. If you are on the board of directors of a charity funding widows and orphans in Waziristan, be sure to carry some toothpaste and extra toilet paper on your person, you may get stuck in a holding cell for a couple of days. If you get through, though, I'll still invite you to coffee.
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