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German expert doubts Russian involvement in polonium
Xinhua ^ | Editor: Mu Xuequan

Posted on 12/11/2006 3:37:14 PM PST by A. Pole

BERLIN, Dec. 11 (Xinhua) -- A German radiation expert doubted Monday that Russia involved in the polonium-210 poisoning of former Russian spy Alexander Litvenenko.

Sebastian Pflugbeil, president of the German Society for Radiation Protection, told ARD national television that he would not rule out the possibility that the poisoners had deliberately strewn traces of the isotope in London and Hamburg to mislead people.

"If you keep polonium in a tightly shut vial, you can transport it without contamination and don't leave any dirty trail," he said, adding it was too obvious to be credible.

"Either these killers were rank amateurs, or, and I think this is also plausible, a trail has been deliberately created to cast suspicion in a certain direction," Pflugbeil said.

"What is remarkable here is the way it was done," he said, "Secret agents are normally trained to kill without leaving any evidence. But in this case, it's not just a trail. They have practically bulldozed a superhighway all the way to Moscow. They wanted to make a spectacle of it."

Pflugbeil, a physicist who has previously studied how East German secret agents abuse radioactive material, said that he knew of no case in which secret services had used polonium to kill an opponent.

German police had found on Saturday "indications" of radiation in Hamburg in Dmitry Kovtun's ex-wife's department. His ex-wife, two children and her new partner were contaminated with the highly radioactive substance.

Doctors were trying to establish whether the substance has got into their body. They say if it did not penetrate into the body, there will be no life risk.

Kovtun is a business man who met former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko in London on Nov. 1, the day the former Russian spy was believed to have fallen ill. Litvinenko died on Nov. 23 in London hospital, while Kovtun was reportedly ill.

A team of German police and radiation experts are investigating into the case.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: death; litvenenko; police; spy
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1 posted on 12/11/2006 3:37:17 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Cicero; GarySpFc; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...
"Either these killers were rank amateurs, or, and [...] this is also plausible, a trail has been deliberately created to cast suspicion in a certain direction"

Polonium bump

2 posted on 12/11/2006 3:39:30 PM PST by A. Pole (Dzerzhinsky: There are no innocent people.There are only such who weren't examined in the proper way)
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To: A. Pole
in this case, it's not just a trail. They have practically bulldozed a superhighway all the way to Moscow.

That's why I've been suspicious of organized crime or islamderthals.
3 posted on 12/11/2006 3:40:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: A. Pole
"Either these killers were rank amateurs, or, and I think this is also plausible, a trail has been deliberately created to cast suspicion in a certain direction"

"Boris, darling, see?
We have fooled them completely!
Now we get the moose . . ."

4 posted on 12/11/2006 3:40:58 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: A. Pole

Oh yeah - I'll believe a report from Red China - they only killed 60 million in the last century.

BTW, who said that more people were not targeted thereby contaminating all these areas?


5 posted on 12/11/2006 3:45:51 PM PST by spanalot
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To: A. Pole

Or the Russians laid the trail to set themselves up for being set up.

Or the Russians did it and wanted everyone to know they did it. They know that the West is too decadent and weak-kneed to
defend itself any longer.

Or... (continue endlessly reducing they know that we know that they know intelligence agency insanity).


6 posted on 12/11/2006 3:47:03 PM PST by Seruzawa (Marx's Das Kapital never could compete with the Sears catalog.)
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To: spanalot
Oh yeah - I'll believe a report from Red China - they only killed 60 million in the last century.

Read again, Chinese just posted it, the info was on ARD - Arbeitsgemeinschaft der öffentlich-rechtlichen Rundfunkanstalten der Bundesrepublik Deutschland - (the German equivalent of BBC).

7 posted on 12/11/2006 3:51:36 PM PST by A. Pole (Dzerzhinsky: There are no innocent people.There are only such who weren't examined in the proper way)
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To: spanalot
killed 60 million in the last century.

On the second thought you will not belive German sources either :(

8 posted on 12/11/2006 3:53:28 PM PST by A. Pole (Dzerzhinsky: There are no innocent people.There are only such who weren't examined in the proper way)
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any delivery device can "misfire" - ask the russian sailors that die in all these submarine accidents.

this report is insane. do you think they would use a little vial with a stopper - that wouldnt look too obvious - talk about amateurish. It was probably a pen like device of a lighter that "leaked" - just like their submarines.


9 posted on 12/11/2006 3:56:50 PM PST by spanalot
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Secret agents are normally trained to kill without leaving any evidence.

"Sorry, Mr. Tolstoy, I just don't know how that ice axe got there!"

10 posted on 12/11/2006 3:57:51 PM PST by Billthedrill
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There's an interesting hypothesis out there now: Litvinenko and friends were engaged in a BIG "blackmail" operation - disguised as a "sale" on which "commissions" were to be paid.

The wide circulation of Polonium "crumbs" suggests the payors may have "dusted" the money with the highly radioactive material as a sort of "gift that keeps giving".

It's interesting to note some of those contaminated cookie crumbs wound up in Berezovsky's offices-which makes wonder if he were dipping his beak in the operation.


11 posted on 12/11/2006 4:00:31 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: A. Pole

Like I believe the Red Chinese, who got their information from Russian (Soviet) State news agencies.


12 posted on 12/11/2006 4:03:08 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: spanalot
It was probably a pen

A leaky fountain pen? You nailed it!

13 posted on 12/11/2006 4:10:21 PM PST by A. Pole (Dzerzhinsky: There are no innocent people.There are only such who weren't examined in the proper way)
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To: genefromjersey
It's interesting to note some of those contaminated cookie crumbs wound up in Berezovsky's offices-which makes wonder if he were dipping his beak in the operation.

"Dipping his beak"? I heard it somewhere: "This is my neighborhood. You and your friends should show me some respect. You should let me wet my beak a little."

14 posted on 12/11/2006 4:15:05 PM PST by A. Pole (Dzerzhinsky: There are no innocent people.There are only such who weren't examined in the proper way)
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Return the ping.

False flags they are a com'in. What next a trail to Syria, Iraq or US for something? Dirty tricks, double agents, provocateurs - a media drum roll please.

15 posted on 12/11/2006 5:21:55 PM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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Badda-boom-badda-bing !


16 posted on 12/11/2006 5:38:22 PM PST by genefromjersey (So much to flame;so little time !)
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To: A. Pole

And the good professor cited is a east german socialist.


17 posted on 12/11/2006 5:52:37 PM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot
If you wonder, why the Chinese were first to mention this German police report, I will give you a hint:


18 posted on 12/11/2006 6:32:20 PM PST by A. Pole (Joanne Senier-LaBarre: "We Wish You a Swinging Holiday!")
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To: Billthedrill

I think you might mean Trotsky.


19 posted on 12/11/2006 6:38:56 PM PST by wideminded
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To: wideminded

@#$%#!!! I think you're right.


20 posted on 12/11/2006 7:02:14 PM PST by Billthedrill
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