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Immigrants pay off big for Texas' economy
. San Antonio Express-News ^ | 12/07/2006 | R.G. Ratcliffe

Posted on 12/08/2006 8:17:53 AM PST by Graybeard58

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To: SF Republican

No doubt that individually there are many fine individuals who are part of the illegal invasion.

Corporately though, the illegal invasion spells disaster for American society.


61 posted on 12/08/2006 9:34:45 AM PST by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: GolfHacker
Factor the cost of educating the children of illegals, health care costs, state and local crime

If you bothered to read the damn article, you would have found that they did that.

62 posted on 12/08/2006 9:35:18 AM PST by staytrue
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To: Rakkasan1
I didn't see an estimate on how much it costs a family who had a child molested by an illegal immigrant.

I didn't see an estimate on how much it benefits a family who DID NOT HAVE a child molested by a CITIZEN because they could get a sane, educated mexican nanny, instead of a bottom of the barrel citizen for the same money.

63 posted on 12/08/2006 9:38:09 AM PST by staytrue
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To: teawithmisswilliams
As far as I can tell, they don't factor in the cost of providing "free" public education to illegals and their children, and providing bi-lingual classes, translators, special remedial services, "free" breakfasts/lunches, etc.

You know, you could try reading the article.

64 posted on 12/08/2006 9:39:39 AM PST by staytrue
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To: darkwing104
How much of that money gets sent to Mexico via Western Union?

A lot of it. I teach illegals ESL. I have several couples who left their children in Nicaragua and came here to work. One woman and her husband were here for 4 years and just got their son up here. I can guarantee you that they work to get money back to their families. They live in large groups in trailers to save money. I like these people a lot and admire them. But I don't see how they are helping the economy as much as this article says.

65 posted on 12/08/2006 9:40:11 AM PST by twigs
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To: staytrue

So you suggest that millions of Americans send their family to a foreign land and then send them money? That just doesn't seem at all practical or reasonable.

Let's just send the illegals back and keep our $5 billion.


66 posted on 12/08/2006 9:40:13 AM PST by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: staytrue

how hard is it to do a simple background check on a citizen?

now hard is it to do a simple background check on an illegal?

furthermore, why not raise your own kids?


67 posted on 12/08/2006 9:42:00 AM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: VRWCTexan
the negative impact of suppressed wage rates in many jobs - i.e. as caused by swarms of new "ILLEGALs"

or the positive impact of lower business costs, making more projects and businesses feasible.

68 posted on 12/08/2006 9:42:23 AM PST by staytrue
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
The economic issues are not the crucial ones, in my view.

Though I agree wholeheartedly about your points on assimilation. I disagree on the economic issue.

Illeagals comprise 27% of prison population.
Illeagals comprise 27% of prison population

If it costs $50,000 per inmate, and the average illeagal paid 25% of their income in taxes, it would take a combined income of $200,000 just to offset prisoner costs. If the average illeagal made $20,000 and paid 25% of his/her income in taxes it would take 10 working illeagals to pay for every imprisoned illeagal.

Next issue schooling. The government spends almost $11,000 a year per student on education. http://www.reformk12.com/archives/000174.nclk If a family of 4 illeagals have 2 students, thats a cost of $22,000. If we use 25% as the tax figure, mom and dad together would have to make $88,000 a year just to pay their share of the tax burden that their kids are using.

According to this article from 2002 U.S. Prison Population Tops 2 Million, if we use the above stated 27% of prisoners are illeagals, that means there are approximately 540,000 illeagals who are prisoners. Its claimed that there are 12 million illeagals in this country, if we use the general stats from the education link I provided, approximately 1/4 of all illeagals should be under 18, leaving approximately 9 million adult illeagals. Of which approximately 540,000 are in prison. Thats 16:1 non-prisoner to prisoner ratio. If $50,000 per prisoner is accurate, then each adult illeagal would have to pay $312 in taxes for prisoners. Or combined it equals $27 billion dollars.

Add that to education expenses of about 3 million illeagals as students at lets say $10,000 per student, that equals approximately $30 billion dollars.

$27 billion for prisoners and $30 billion for education = $57 billion. Lets divide that by approximately 9 million adult illeagals = $6,333 that each adult illeagal should be paying in taxes just to keep up with the burden they bring to us in prisons and education.

69 posted on 12/08/2006 9:42:29 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: twigs

FINANCING THE MEXICAN INVASION
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1750489/posts
What's even worse is the fact that the program will be subsidized by taxpayer dollars.

I believe the problem is more a failure to assimilate than a failure to make money.


70 posted on 12/08/2006 9:45:37 AM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: staytrue
"Not really. If texas switched to an income tax, you would find business would have to pay their workers more to cover the cost of the tax and then they would raise prices accordingly."

Not so. Illegals in California make no more than illegals in Texas. And you are missing the point. Illegals do not pay income taxes in California nor do their employers... They are illegal! So in Texas the illegals pay sales taxes where Texas gets the bulk of their revenue and in California illegals do not pay income taxes, just as in Texas, but California depends more on income taxes.

71 posted on 12/08/2006 9:46:08 AM PST by avacado
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To: mountn man
government spends almost $11,000 per child in education

Correct. That amounts to 125,000 for 12 years and the parents probably need to spend 125 k also.

This is why illegals are so valuable. You let mexico raise them as kids and then they work in the US and we save a quarter million bringing them up.

72 posted on 12/08/2006 9:46:08 AM PST by staytrue
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To: Rakkasan1

I like these people and admire their work ethic. But I refuse to hire them, even though I could use their services, because I know that their money is leaving our country.


73 posted on 12/08/2006 9:49:11 AM PST by twigs
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy
then drive them for 20,000 to 30,000 miles over the course of a few weeks

2 weeks is 14 days or 1,500 miles to 2,100 miles a day or 150 mph for 10 hours to 210 mph for 10 hours.

3 weeks is 21 days or 900 miles to 1,500 miles a day or 90 mph for 10 hours a day or 150 mph for 10 hours a day.

74 posted on 12/08/2006 9:52:24 AM PST by staytrue
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To: SouthTexas
I don't know how anyone can do a valid study on the economical impacts when they can't even say for sure how many are actually here.

I think you meant to say "I don't know how anyone can do a valid study on the economical impacts when it disagrees with my opinions."

76 posted on 12/08/2006 9:55:30 AM PST by staytrue
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To: twigs
I have several couples who left their children in Nicaragua and came here to work. ... But I don't see how they are helping the economy as much as this article says.

This is exactly how they are helping the US economy. We spend 11,000 a year to educate a kid in the US public school system and probably another 11k per kid that the parents kick in. If you dump the kids off in Nicaragua, you can spend probably one tenth that much.

77 posted on 12/08/2006 10:01:06 AM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue

No, I meant what I said. May not be as eloquently put as others, but the point is clear. Without knowing the total of anything, how can you weigh it's impact?


78 posted on 12/08/2006 10:01:20 AM PST by SouthTexas (Nature's answer to global warming---snow.)
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To: twigs

unlike most of our whorish politicians, you have ethics.


79 posted on 12/08/2006 10:01:55 AM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: Graybeard58
Well, I'm seeing all this in a new light. Yep, I think I'll just go over to Juarez and grab me a few potential border runners, help 'em over the river,get 'em some jobs, set 'em up a place to live, maybe even let stay at my house, buy 'em dinner every night, That'll help the economy, right? Of course I still can't get any employment, because I'm an over educated, too high of a wage demanding, native-born, legitimate American citizen. Is it getting deep enough for ya yet? "GEEEEZE"!!!!!!!!
80 posted on 12/08/2006 10:02:09 AM PST by Msgt USMC
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