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Its no surprise when 'conservative' proponents of unending (and increased amounts of) mass immigration stoop to name-calling of fellow conservatives who dare hold conservative views on immigration. They've done it for a long time.

But with the 2006 midterm debacle, they have stooped to new lows in their disingenuous and absurd attempt to spin the election results as being a vote for their far-left views on immigration. Whether its cherry-picking the defeat of a few high-profile 'restrictionists' and ignoring the losses suffered by proponents of 'comprehensive' reform, or citing polls that offer bogus choices, there really is no limit to what the likes of Jacoby (and Barnes and Kristol) will say to push their agenda of virtually unlimited immigration.

The same polls the Jacoby types misuse to claim public support for their amnesty plans showed that the GOP lost because of Iraq and corruption. So it is an especially great display of chutzpah for neoconservatives to ignore the political effects of the war they wanted so much in explaining the GOP rout, all to prop up the very liberal, very pro-Democrat views they hold on immigration.

And for all the talk about polls, it should be noted that pro-comprehensive reform polls are bogus for two reasons;

(1) They almost always present it as a choice between only a path to citizenship or mass deportations, while completely ignoring the enforcement first/attrittion strategy.

(2) The least attractive parts of the 'comprehensive' bills rarely get any public attention. I wonder, does Jacoby really think that the public would support the comprehensive approach and its 'earned legalizations' and 'paths to citizenship' if they knew it would result in enormous increases in permanent legal immigration? Would they support it if false descriptions like 'temporary workers' and 'guest worker plan' were not used? Why are the comprehensive bills so deceptive?

Why do McCain and Kennedy, as well as Jacoby and Barnes and the head of La Raza, the NYTimes and WSJournal, not get out there and advocate on behalf of massive increases in permanent legal immigration? Why don't they tell us they want tens of millions more immigrants on top of those that current law would admit? If they are so confident in the popularity of their agenda, then why do they go to such great lengths to mislead the public about their agenda?

1 posted on 11/28/2006 7:38:23 PM PST by Aetius
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To: Aetius

The immigration system isn't broken. It's being ignored. We need immigration policies that allow people to immigrate, while allowing the nation to control its borders - just like other nations of the World.


2 posted on 11/28/2006 7:46:18 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Aetius
Just wait: All of the moderates will be tripping all over themselves to say "yes we must deal with immigration. We republicans must have a big tent". They completely ignore the fact that most conservatives wanted illegal immigration dealt with. Few have trouble with those who come to this country legally.
4 posted on 11/28/2006 7:50:37 PM PST by samm1148 (Pennsylvania-They haven't taxed air--yet)
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To: Aetius

The bio I read on this "female" said something like she was a beacon of debate in a foggy light. Her thinking does seem very foggy and she seems to be itching for a chance to jump up and argue.


6 posted on 11/28/2006 8:08:37 PM PST by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: Aetius
Whatever. Prior to the elections the Congress passed, and Bush signed, a border fence and ID reform. After the elections we will have an amnesty and President Bush will sign it. Do the math.

It is illogical to deny the elections were a huge win for the illegal immigration lobby.

8 posted on 11/28/2006 9:05:06 PM PST by John David Stutts
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To: Aetius

Excellent post. Those who love open borders should read these two threads posted today. I had a close friend involved in an accident yesterday with an illegal driving with a revoked license. Fortunately, she was not injured. He ran into her while she was at a traffic light.

Study: 1 million Sex Crimes by Illegals
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1745570/posts


Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1745034/posts


9 posted on 11/28/2006 9:59:45 PM PST by TheLion
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To: gubamyster

Ping!


10 posted on 11/28/2006 10:03:30 PM PST by TheLion
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

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11 posted on 11/28/2006 10:30:24 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: Aetius
Its no surprise when 'conservative' proponents of unending (and increased amounts of) mass immigration stoop to name-calling of fellow conservatives who dare hold conservative views on immigration.

She didn't call names. She said that "(it) perpetuate(s) the myths already taking hold that R stands for “restrictionist”"

She's actually refuting a name that others are calling, not calling a name.

13 posted on 11/28/2006 11:45:29 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Aetius

Tamar, clean your own darn house. It's great for the character.


15 posted on 11/29/2006 3:51:33 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Aetius
it was xenophobic grandstanders versus pragmatic problem-solvers, with virtually all the pragmatists squarely in the Democratic fold. No wonder Election Day played out as it did.

Tamar Jacoby's analysis is correct.

16 posted on 11/29/2006 4:18:58 AM PST by Alia
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But with the 2006 midterm debacle, they have stooped to new lows in their disingenuous and absurd attempt to spin the election results as being a vote for their far-left views on immigration.

Get back to me when 2 GOP cnadidates Randy Graf and J.D. Hayworth in the border state of Arizona and who made hardline immigration their main campaign topics are speaking from the well of the House floor.

They won't be in the 110th Congress, since they lost.

20 posted on 11/29/2006 5:35:43 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Aetius

R also stands for Rule of Law, something the sovereignty sellouts care nothing about.


29 posted on 11/29/2006 11:58:13 AM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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