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Cheap bullets put lives of paratroopers at risk
Telegraph Media Group Limited 2006. ^ | 24/11/2006 | By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent

Posted on 11/28/2006 4:40:10 PM PST by xcamel

Video: Machine gun problems in Afghanistan

The lives of paratroopers were put in danger after the Ministry of Defence sent defective ammunition to Afghanistan, it can be revealed.

The situation became so serious that a platoon from the 3Bn The Parachute Regiment refused to go out on patrol until the problem was resolved. The troops had to borrow ammunition off Canadian and American special forces as they battled to fight off Taliban attacks.

The MoD, which yesterday unveiled plans for British troops to make a quicker-than-expected withdrawal from the front line in Iraq, has been unable to explain why defective ammunition for the .50 calibre Browning heavy machinegun was sent to Afghanistan.

It is thought that the batch was from either Pakistan or the Czech Republic, where a round costs 60 US cents. The price for British, Canadian or American ammunition is $1.50. With many thousands of rounds fired, using cheaper ammunition would have saved thousands of pounds.

A shocking demonstration of the poor quality rounds is shown on a video posted by a paratrooper on the YouTube website. It shows two soldiers in a sandbagged position struggling to operate the machinegun, which can also be mounted on Land Rovers.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arms; bullets; cheap; uk
when it's best not to "cheap out..."
1 posted on 11/28/2006 4:40:14 PM PST by xcamel
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To: xcamel

Price shouldn't be an indicator of reliability. The main problem is that some rounds would be loaded light and not operate the ejector, but this is quality control.


2 posted on 11/28/2006 4:44:34 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: xcamel

As a taxpayer I heartily approve of providing these fine soldiers with all the ammo they can use. No questions asked, no invoices to process.


3 posted on 11/28/2006 4:46:25 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (This space for hire...)
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To: RightWhale

The first box was the "good one" - keep watching the video...


4 posted on 11/28/2006 4:47:12 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: TexanToTheCore

Keep in mind - they're brits - and the UK DoD did the purchasing


5 posted on 11/28/2006 4:48:11 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: xcamel

Socialized medicine, manufacturing out the window, rampant and unaddressed crime in the streets combined with defensive weapons confiscation... Hong Kong - let's not even go there. Now this on top of everything else. Wonder what Churchill would say...

The worst part is that one scratches one's head and ponders whether or not the US is headed down the same road in years to come.


6 posted on 11/28/2006 4:50:26 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: xcamel

As a Vietnam veteran, I recall another "cheap" instrument of war...the M16...nothing but the best for our troops and evidently theirs..

Meadow Muffin


7 posted on 11/28/2006 4:57:05 PM PST by rwgal
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To: xcamel

Hard to tell from the sound. The mechanism isn't being fully operated and if there was enough residue to gum up the works that quickly that would be some very dirty ammo. It's out of spec somehow.


8 posted on 11/28/2006 5:02:19 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: xcamel
If you've ever bought Winchester white box ammo in 9x18 Makarov it's manufactured in the Czech Republic, and their neighbor Slovokia produces my favorite brand of 9x18 ammo, PS Grand.

I wouldn't expect ammo made in the Czech republic to have quality control issues.

They should specify exactly what company manufactured this ammo, but being a British media outlet they probably think that only the military and government need to be concerned about buying reliable ammo.

9 posted on 11/28/2006 5:18:26 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: xcamel
Now if that was electrically primed ammo I'd definitely suspect Lucas demons.
10 posted on 11/28/2006 5:33:00 PM PST by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: xcamel

I would be willing to bet that even the rounds that do fire follow different trajectories and their ability to hit something is not what it should be.

Possible problems:
Wrong powder - someone may have elected to use what was on hand rather than the powder specified. Bad shooting.

Inaccurate powder measure - Probably the problem. Bullets going all over the place.

Could be some old surplus powder that they thought might work.

Bad primers.

Inaccurate bullet seating.


These may be handloaded rounds and they could be highly variable.


11 posted on 11/28/2006 5:41:34 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (This space for hire...)
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To: TexanToTheCore

or all of the above....


12 posted on 11/28/2006 5:42:30 PM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: CrazyIvan

Lucas.Wasn't their motto"Try to get home before dark"?


13 posted on 11/28/2006 6:03:15 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: CrazyIvan

Lucas.Wasn't their motto"Try to get home before dark"?


14 posted on 11/28/2006 6:04:33 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Every time a toilet flushes,another liberal gets his brains.)
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To: Farmer Dean

Well, at least we are not the only country whose defense suffers from the products of substandard contractors. Low bid and lots of friends are always winners


15 posted on 11/28/2006 6:13:25 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Farmer Dean

I thought Lucas' motto was "bring the dark back to night."


16 posted on 11/28/2006 7:17:31 PM PST by fini
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To: fini
It is reminiscent of my experiences with the "Wolf" brand in .223.

Never again will I buy it; That stuff sucked!

17 posted on 11/29/2006 7:42:00 AM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I'm boycotting Best Buy, so yay for me.)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-
PAKISTAN ???

What a great idea...Let's buy ammunition from the country harboring our enemies !!!

18 posted on 11/29/2006 7:45:29 AM PST by SENTINEL (USMC GWI (MY GOD IS GOD, ROCKCHUCKER !!))
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