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Zelikow to resign from State Department
AP via Yahoo ^ | November 27, 2006 | ANNE GEARAN

Posted on 11/27/2006 2:26:53 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever

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To: ARealMothersSonForever
Sorry but I no longer have any time to wast trying to reason with people who put their own emotional based political dogmas in front of the good of the country. You Dinocons are NO different then the Leftists. You are all so arrogantly wedded to your own emotion based political dogmas you simply refuse to learn fact ONE about Iraq. You all are the people who spend all your time posting crap like this story below in the absurd notion that such posts some how validate your ignorance about Iraq. You are Al Sadar and the other terrorists best allies. You should at least have the guts to admit to yourselves what you are busy doing.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1743438/posts

Shiites burn six Sunni worshippers alive

Which turned out to put pure terroist propaganda.

Bombshell: Centcom Says AP’s Iraqi Police Source Isn’t Iraqi Police

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1744742/posts

Since you all are so busy being the Terrorist PR firm, you all should be willing to be held accountable for your actions.
21 posted on 11/27/2006 3:05:09 PM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever; MNJohnnie
Johnnie's just a diehard contrarian and can't help it.

Johnnie, if our government focused all our attention on the wonderful moderate muslims instead of the dangerous terrorists, how would that protect the U.S.? How would that win the WOT. It would be a muslim love fest...but not do much to protect the homeland or the world against islamic hegemony, IMHO.

22 posted on 11/27/2006 3:06:30 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Perdogg; ARealMothersSonForever
I have been very disappointed with Rice at State. Maybe she should leave too.

There was a time when I was hoping she might ascend to the Presidency. Boy was I ever wrong.

I hope she returns to academia soon and takes that ridiculous "two state solution" crap with her.

23 posted on 11/27/2006 3:11:38 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: GSlob; Dark Skies
Here are some facts on Iraq. Actually try reading and thinking about what this data indicates for once instead of just clinging to your political dogmas. Go read what Gen Abizaid told you Dincons when he testified to the US Senate two weeks ago. Instead of feverishly clinging to your dogmas try actually thinking for once.

As any real Conservative knows, actions have consequences. Instead of mindlessly regurgitating what the Junk Media screams at you day after day, try to actually learning somethings about Iraq. What are you all so afraid of? Afraid maybe you might have to admit that guy Bush you all hate so bad is right? That this is a different kind of problem then what we faced during the cold war that requires a different sort of solution?

How about you all finally learn to separate your domestic politics feelings from National Security Issues? Quit simply screaming "NO-NO-NO-NO-NO" at every bit of data on Iraq that does NOT validate your political dogmas. You hate the President? Fine. But trash talking the mission in Iraq does NOT some how validate your feelings about Bush.

You all should actually try reading the data and thinking about what it is telling you one time. It is rather interesting.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Security_Forces

http://icasualties.org/oif/

http://icasualties.org/oif/IraqiDeaths.aspx
24 posted on 11/27/2006 3:15:52 PM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Since you all are so busy being the Terrorist PR firm, you all should be willing to be held accountable for your actions.

Yep. Everybody is real busy making up stories out of whole cloth without ever providing a link to the source (that is in the public domain). Go kick Reuters and AP, unless it makes one feel so much better to kick FRiends. But hey, what are FRiends for if we don't let y'all kick us around every now and again. We are sure it saves wear and tear on your pets and family.

25 posted on 11/27/2006 3:19:41 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: MNJohnnie; GSlob
Afraid maybe you might have to admit that guy Bush you all hate so bad is right?

I read the data as much as I can but no one is perfect. And I am a big supporter of the Prez, but I'm not a robot.

Johnnie, I used to think you did nothing but sling insults, but over time I have come to like you (but you still sling insults).

I know you are passionate about your issues and I appreciate that. But not everyone that disagrees with you is an idiot. I know it might seem that way, but it just ain't so.

Anyway, thx for your contribution, I really do appreciate your work because I know you are sincere.

26 posted on 11/27/2006 3:22:08 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Bahbah

Maybe the "problem" is that the Iraqi people like to kill each other


27 posted on 11/27/2006 3:24:14 PM PST by woofie (creativity is destructive)
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To: Dark Skies
Yeah that right. JUST keep screaming your slogans don't bother thinking for even a heartbeat about the fact that the bulk of the fighting and dying being done ON OUR SIDE in Iraq is being done by Muslims. Do you ever bother to consider the Kurds are Muslims? The current Govt in Afganistan is Muslim?

NO, so much easier to just cling to your "All Muslims are the enemey" dogmas then bother to actually think. The USA is NEVER going to wage a war of genocide against all Muslims no matter how desperately you scream for one. Time to put the emotion based dogmas and talk radio slogans on hold and actually start THINKING for once about how we are going to deal with this mess. Here is what all you Dincons dogmas result in. Basically here is what the Freeper Generals would have us do in Iraq. Counter Insurgency Doctrine done the Dinocon way. Americans: Yo, all you Iraqis. Now we know you all have been oppressed and terrorized by Saddam and his goons for about 40 years so we came over here to show you a better way. So gather round and we are going to teach you this thing called Democracy. We want to teach you this cause we figure if we get can get enough of you following this ideology you will not follow the ideology that preaches it is a good thing to fly airplanes into buildings full of our Civilians. Now the first things you need to learn is this part about the Rule of Law. Study the sub chapters on Innocent until prove Guilty, Trial by Jury, Right to Legal Representation and really important, the chapter on outlawing Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ok, now while you do that, we are going to arbitrarily round up and kill any Iraqis who we think maybe have ever talked mean about us. What? No we are not going to bother with any of that messy Democracy stuff cause we are at war. And according to our Holloweird Movie guide to Military Action flicks any time you are at war you can waste anyone who pisses you off for what ever reason you want any way you want to do it. According to Hollyweird, we don't need nothing like proof or nothing we can just go wack that little Al Sadr freak cause he pisses us off. Evidence? We don't need no stickin' evidence. Our action movie heros never bother with any evidence. In the Movie we watch on TV says we are just suppose to go kill him because he pisses us off so that what we want to do here. Now quit talking back and learn our lessons on Democracy. Iraqi 1. Hey Mahmoud, why are we helping these clowns? Iraqi 2. What do you mean Achmed, they got rid of Saddam! Iraqi 1. They did? Looks to me like they just took his place. Iraqi 2. Well ya so? Iraqi 1. Well at least the old thugs were from around here. These guys are not only from out of town they are not even Muslims. We may has well have Muslim thugs if we got to have thugs. Iraqi 2. You right, time to join the Jihad! That is what Freeper General Counter Insurgency doctrine as learned from watching TV Sitcoms would produce. It is utter stupidity but forget trying to penetrate any of the Terrorist Cheerleaders welded shut minds.

28 posted on 11/27/2006 3:31:05 PM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: MNJohnnie
I have occasional and useful ADHD that prevents me from reading long statements with no paragraph breaks.

Help! I would like to read your post but my eyes glazed over when I looked upon all those words and sentences running into each other.

I think I'll take a nap.

29 posted on 11/27/2006 3:37:28 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Dark Skies

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1744813/posts\

Yeah none of you Dinocons should bother trying to learn anything for this event. No just cling to your dogmas and keep being used as the terrorists domestic PR firm.


30 posted on 11/27/2006 3:44:14 PM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Your link doesn't work. Not that I want to learn anything.

Come on Johnnie, get a sense of humor. You'll live longer and be happier.

Every charge you have leveled against me is unfounded. If you make charges, provide some evidence...so we the guilty can defend ourselves.

31 posted on 11/27/2006 3:49:16 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: MNJohnnie
the bulk of the fighting and dying being done ON OUR SIDE in Iraq is being done by Muslims

Are you suggesting that the Iraqis are fighting on OUR side? If you asked an Iraqi soldier who's side he was on, do you think he would say he is on America's side? You have got to be kidding me. He is on the Iraqi side. If he currently believes that accepting money and support from the U.S. will benefit his country than he will "play nice." The first second he thinks his country would be better served by cooperating with Iran or Syria that is the way they will go. Do not fool yourself into believing that Iraqis are fighting for US.

32 posted on 11/27/2006 3:54:26 PM PST by nitzy (America is a nation not an economy)
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To: Dark Skies

Your opinions are not facts. Nice you have opinions on Islam. So does everyone else. Do try to learn the difference between feelings and facts.


33 posted on 11/27/2006 3:57:11 PM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: ScaniaBoy
Wasn't Zelikow the man who managed to "mislay" the Able Danger reports?

While we're on the subject...

Snell worked for Zelikow, not Gorelick

Last I knew, Snell worked for the NYS AG's office now. Spitzer was the guy who ran interference for Snell with Weldon's committee.

34 posted on 11/27/2006 3:58:20 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: MNJohnnie

Hey Johnnie, you're a human right? Your not a computer program are you? Just asking?


35 posted on 11/27/2006 4:00:54 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: MNJohnnie; Dark Skies

MN,
A clear and concise declarative statement that is formatted in such a manner that facilitates easy reading has been proven to be thought provoking and persuasive.

Many people here have discovered that word processing and spelling/grammar checkers are invaluable tools for protecting one from public scorn, ridicule, and outright derision.

Your stance and position is not in doubt, neither is your passion and conviction. Your courtesy, respect, and civility are regrettably impaired at this juncture.


36 posted on 11/27/2006 4:06:41 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
Your courtesy, respect, and civility are regrettably impaired at this juncture.

lol...at this juncture. That's awfully kind.

I think Johnnie's OK but he insults everyone at every cross street that comes by.

Come on, Johnnie. Own it. You are one angry and insulting dude.

As my gramma said, "once you get mad, you've lost the argument."

Gramma would say (if she were still alive), "you've lost the argument, Johnnie."

DS says to self and poor dead Gramma..."brace now for Johnnie to insult Gramma."

37 posted on 11/27/2006 4:15:00 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: MNJohnnie
Oops, meant to address this to you also.

Sorry, see post #37.

38 posted on 11/27/2006 4:19:25 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Dark Skies

I have asked Michael Richards to say a few words about your gramma


39 posted on 11/27/2006 4:25:51 PM PST by woofie (creativity is destructive)
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To: woofie
lol...I just got a call from Jesse Jagmo on his behalf. He insulted Gramma and then asked for a contribution to the Rainbow Coalition.
40 posted on 11/27/2006 4:30:35 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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