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Much Lies Beyond the Grasp of Arrogant Atheism
The Jewish Daily Forward ^ | Fri. Nov 24, 2006 | David Klinghoffer

Posted on 11/23/2006 10:07:01 AM PST by RunningWolf

I’m no longer surprised by the cluelessness of Jewish educational institutions. Thus a friend studying at a certain Orthodox-affiliated college emailed me this week, asking for my definition of conservatism. He explained that he is taking a class in advanced psychology, the specific topic being the “authoritarian personality.” Article tools

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That phrase encapsulates a highfalutin’ slur on religious and other conservatives, inspired by psychologist Robert Altemeyer. It holds that conservatism arises not from ideology, but from a personality deformation associated with “conventionalism,” “authoritarian aggression” and “authoritarian submission.” Since most of his fellow students, as Orthodox Jews, would likely rank as right-wing authoritarians on Altemeyer’s scale, my correspondent wrote with his earnest request for an outside perspective.

Interestingly, my young friend’s demanding course has exactly two required texts. One is by Altemeyer. The other is Watergate alumnus John Dean’s recent “Conservatives Without Conscience.” Dean claims that, especially on the “religious right,” conservatism has no meaningful definition but simply masks certain resentments and anxieties.

He cites a canonical work among conservatives, Russell Kirk’s “The Conservative Mind” (1953), in which the philosopher expressed reservations about ideology. But in the same book, Kirk admirably crystallized six basic “convictions or sentiments” of a conservative.

Long before anyone dreamed up the fancy that the boogeymen of the Christian right would hijack the Republican Party, Kirk made clear that a spiritual view of reality is at the heart of conservatism. He describes the No. 1 “canon of conservative thought” this way: “Belief in a transcendent order, or body of natural law, which rules society as well as conscience. Political problems, at bottom, are religious and moral problems.”

Another, related “canon” is No. 5: “Faith in prescription and distrust of ‘sophisters, calculators, and economists’ who would reconstruct society upon abstract designs. Custom, convention, and old prescription are checks both upon man’s anarchic impulse and upon the innovator’s lust for power.”

In other words, being a conservative means to respect the genius of previous generations and to see yourself as a conservationist of their ancient traditions. Writes Kirk: “The experience of the species is treasured up chiefly in tradition, prejudice and prescription — generally for most men, and sometimes for all men, surer guides to conduct and conscience than books and speculation.”

Such inherited judgments, an irreducibly complex organic whole, make civilized life possible. Vaporize one and you endanger all. We mess with them at our peril. In rereading Kirk, I was reminded that I became a conservative first and only afterward, as a direct result, an Orthodox Jew. I was in college at Brown in the mid-1980s when I realized what a bunch of preachy blowhards my fellow left-wing activists on campus were, with their assumption that they knew better than anyone else who had ever lived. It was in response that I opened myself to the possibility that our ancestors weren’t fools after all.

I found that investigating Jewish beliefs, prejudices and customs, with an open mind and heart, tends to bear that out. It was this realization that led me to reconsider my previous assumptions about Torah, namely that Jewish tradition was just adorable nonsense in the spirit of “Fiddler on the Roof.” So I had been raised to think at the Southern California Reform temple where I grew up.

The genius of Judaism, as Kirk would have understood, is a matter not only of books, but of the entire way of thinking and living that Jews once inherited as a matter of course.

Like any work of genius, tradition can be picked apart, its pieces arbitrarily isolated from each other so as to produce what looks like a work of idiocy. In their new book “A Meaningful World,” my Discovery Institute colleagues Benjamin Wiker and Jonathan Witt compare the genius of nature’s design to that of humanity’s great artists. As they point out, Shakespeare has been picked apart savagely by critics who “deny anything that exceeds their grasp.”

Attacks on religious conservatism take the same form, as in the recent polemics of celebrity Jewish atheist Sam Harris. Writing in the November 13 issue of Newsweek about the “untold damage to our politics” done by religion, Harris railed against a straw man — actually a parody of a straw man:

“Those with the power to elect presidents and congressmen — and many who themselves get elected — believe that dinosaurs lived two by two upon Noah’s Ark, that light from distant galaxies was created en route to the Earth and that the first members of our species were fashioned out of dirt and divine breath, in a garden with a talking snake, by the hand of an invisible God.”

What a pathetic simplification of a grand tradition possessing depths far beyond anything in Harris’s telling.

To answer the question from my young friend: the essence of conservatism lies in the acknowledgment that, in the wisdom of the dead, much lies beyond our grasp. To deny this basic recognition requires no psychological disfigurement like the one attributed to us by Altemeyer, but rather only the combination of those familiar foibles, arrogance and ignorance.

David Klinghoffer is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute and author of the forthcoming “Shattered Tablets: Why We Ignore the Ten Commandments at Our Peril” (Doubleday). Fri. Nov 24,


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: atheism; attacksreligious; conservatism; conservative
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1 posted on 11/23/2006 10:07:04 AM PST by RunningWolf
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To: DaveLoneRanger

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2 posted on 11/23/2006 10:07:49 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf; kiriath_jearim; Gadfly-At-Large; pryncessraych; aroostook war; TheRake; rogator; ...

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If you want on (or off) this Catholic and Pro-Life ping list, let me know!



3 posted on 11/23/2006 10:09:18 AM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: Admin Moderator

The post articles page gives me only news/activism to post an article in. Is this correct?


4 posted on 11/23/2006 10:10:26 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf; DaveLoneRanger

Not another evolution thread...


5 posted on 11/23/2006 10:12:56 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents
No evo in this article.
6 posted on 11/23/2006 10:14:05 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: All

Out for a few hours


7 posted on 11/23/2006 10:14:45 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf

But the power behind evo is.


8 posted on 11/23/2006 10:17:31 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: RunningWolf

Funny title considering that the word "atheist" is only used once in the article.

Many atheists, myself included, are not so arrogant as to assume to that we have everything figured out, or to ignore the many contributions to civilization that religions have made. We also wrestle with the fact that an objective basis for morality is hard to find without an external influence, i.e. God.

Just because most left-wing moonbats are atheists, it doesn't mean that the inverse is also true.


9 posted on 11/23/2006 10:19:45 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: RunningWolf

Russell Kirk wrote great ghost stories too. Won a best short story award in 1977 for There's a Long, Long Trail A-Winding


10 posted on 11/23/2006 10:35:00 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: -YYZ-

Thanks for your insightful input, I appreciate it.


11 posted on 11/23/2006 10:36:27 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf
...asking for my definition of conservatism. He explained that he is taking a class in advanced psychology, the specific topic being the "authoritarian personality."
Speaking of authoritarian personalities, how about these famous 'conservatives'...

Oh wait, those are all 'fuzzy-wuzzy', 'gimme a big hug' communists, my bad.

12 posted on 11/23/2006 10:43:33 AM PST by Condor51 (Tagline Under Construction - Kindly Wear Your Hardhat)
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To: Condor51

What?? Wait a second!

Oh okay, ;-)


13 posted on 11/23/2006 10:45:24 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: -YYZ-

E. g., Ayn Rand, Eastman Kokak--but no one's right on everything.


14 posted on 11/23/2006 10:45:27 AM PST by Mach9 (.)
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To: RunningWolf

Interesting title, too bad he didn't actually have anything to say about it. And the article had several interesting comments, but they didn't lead to any central thesis. Two comments related to The Importance Of Fathers. He should have started with that as his title and left out the unrelated material.


15 posted on 11/23/2006 10:49:48 AM PST by SmartAZ
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To: SmartAZ
After I posted it I noticed that also. It was puzzling to a degree.

What do you think about the topic?
16 posted on 11/23/2006 10:54:34 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: -YYZ-; y'all
Many atheists, myself included, are not so arrogant as to assume to that we have everything figured out, or to ignore the many contributions to civilization that religions have made.
Just because most left-wing moonbats are atheists, it doesn't mean that the inverse is also true.

The author, in effect, agrees by taking what is essentially an agnostic position when he wrote:
"-- the essence of conservatism lies in the acknowledgment that, in the wisdom of the dead, much lies beyond our grasp.
To deny this basic recognition requires no psychological disfigurement -- only the combination of those familiar foibles, arrogance and ignorance. --"

17 posted on 11/23/2006 11:04:11 AM PST by tpaine
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To: RunningWolf

Many erroneously think that conservatives believe that something is true Because it is tradition; the truth is we believe that it is tradition Because it is true.


18 posted on 11/23/2006 12:35:54 PM PST by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
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I suppose that when we are dead we shall either know the truth or know nothing at all. If the latter is the case I would prefer to wait as long as possible before finding that out, or more accurately not finding it out. If the former is I can hardly wait. I'm banking on the former. If the latter proves to be correct I will have lost nothing. Therefore, believing upon The Son Of Man is indisputably the only the only intelligent choice.


19 posted on 11/23/2006 2:13:53 PM PST by KarinG1 (Opinions expressed in this post are my own and do not necessarily represent those of sane people.)
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To: TradicalRC
"Many erroneously think that conservatives believe that something is true Because it is tradition; the truth is we believe that it is tradition Because it is true."

Self contradictory. Every tradition is born from a broken tradition.
20 posted on 11/23/2006 2:28:43 PM PST by SmartAZ
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To: RunningWolf
I was in college at Brown in the mid-1980s when I realized what a bunch of preachy blowhards my fellow left-wing activists on campus were, with their assumption that they knew better than anyone else who had ever lived.

That sure sums up the attitude of the left. It makes you wonder how the human race survived until the gifted elite came along.

21 posted on 11/23/2006 3:08:42 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: -YYZ-
Just because most left-wing moonbats are atheists, it doesn't mean that the inverse is also true.

Sadly for folks like you, they set the standard by which all atheists are measured.

22 posted on 11/23/2006 3:10:23 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RunningWolf
Interesting. It's a lot of philosophical dissension, though, probably not entirely relating to creation/evolution as much as atheism, which is similar but separate.
23 posted on 11/24/2006 10:37:11 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger ("I am here to fight evil and exchange good-natured barbs." - The Tick)
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To: SmartAZ
Self contradictory. Every tradition is born from a broken tradition.

Huh?

24 posted on 11/24/2006 4:26:03 PM PST by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
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To: metmom
Like Rush said just today about some of these highly credentialed academic types 'Education does not equal knowledge' nor many other things along those lines, such as independent reasoning thinking research and logic.

Wolf
25 posted on 11/24/2006 9:30:45 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf

Interesting article, but it seems to be more a critique of leftist thought into religion and religious tradition rather than having to do with atheism.


26 posted on 11/24/2006 9:45:04 PM PST by Shion (Bring Back John Galt)
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To: metmom
Sadly for folks like you, they set the standard by which all atheists are measured.

It is sad, especially when the reaction to one being conservative is: "You're not going to turn into a *gasp* Christian too, are you?"

That and people flat out tell you that you don't exist.
27 posted on 11/24/2006 9:48:10 PM PST by Shion (Bring Back John Galt)
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To: Shion
That is true to a degree.

IMO, atheism is something the left likes to hijack for their own ends .
28 posted on 11/24/2006 9:49:47 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf
IMO, atheism is something the left likes to hijack for their own ends .

Without any doubt. Often though, it's not the promotion atheism per say, but the devaluation and mocking of anything religious, and the creation of fear in individuals of appearing religious to their peers.
29 posted on 11/24/2006 10:01:16 PM PST by Shion (Bring Back John Galt)
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To: Shion
Yes I agree. In that sense they take on the trappings (clothing for want of a term) of something like atheism and use that to give their agenda some (false) intellectual legitimacy.

I used to get rally hammered for this, but I think it applied very well to that part of the issue.

Standby while I look it up again and post it here.

Wolf
30 posted on 11/24/2006 10:07:55 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Shion
Often though, it's not the promotion atheism per say, but the devaluation and mocking of anything religious, and the creation of fear in individuals of appearing religious to their peers.

It's the devaluation and mockery of anything religious that I think most religious people react to. When Christians are called ignorant Luddites who wish to take the country back to a Taliban like existance and the Dark Ages, yeah, people are going to fight back. If someone doesn't want to believe, that's their perogative, but they should extend the same courtesy to others instead of making accusations like that. OTOH, I recognise that those of a religious bent are not always much better.

31 posted on 11/24/2006 10:12:34 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: -YYZ-
"We also wrestle with the fact that an objective basis for morality is hard to find without an external influence, i.e. God. "

I don't believe in the existence of atheists...and I would think that even the slightest bit of wrestling you describe would place one in the agnostic camp...and in a sense, we are agnostics.

We all, from time to time, doubt our beliefs. Human misery begins however, when we begin to believe our doubts.

32 posted on 11/24/2006 10:15:17 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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rally really
34 posted on 11/24/2006 10:47:57 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: Admin Moderator
Are articles from asianews dissallowed?
35 posted on 11/25/2006 10:21:21 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf
Are articles from asianews dissallowed?

No, Asia News can be posted on FR.

36 posted on 11/25/2006 10:56:27 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator
Well that was Asia News. The article was about the ChiCom Party’s secret directive on atheism.

Something else wrong with it?
37 posted on 11/25/2006 11:05:28 AM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf

I don't know, Jim pulled it.


38 posted on 11/25/2006 1:17:15 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

Okay, thanks.


39 posted on 11/25/2006 1:41:54 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: RunningWolf; My2Cents

Just wait; the Evo's are like buzzards in that they can smell a trace of religion in a thread a mile away!


40 posted on 11/25/2006 8:35:41 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: -YYZ-

We got moonbats on the religious side too.

But don't the look at isolated followers of anything: but see what the ideal of the 'ism' is about.


41 posted on 11/25/2006 8:37:29 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: KarinG1
Therefore, believing upon The Son Of Man is indisputably the only the only intelligent choice.

And DEFINITIELY the right way to bet! ;^)

42 posted on 11/25/2006 8:39:26 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: metmom

Yeah... like it's the 99% of lawyers that give the others a bad name.


43 posted on 11/25/2006 8:40:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: RunningWolf
'Education does not equal knowledge'

Wisdom; I'd say...

44 posted on 11/25/2006 8:41:26 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: RunningWolf

Ya SURE don't want the ChiComs mad at you!


45 posted on 11/25/2006 8:43:34 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: RunningWolf

When I read the words "arrogant atheism," I automatically think of former Freeper MineralMan.


He was (by contrast to that stereotype) the most reasonable, informed, courteous atheist I have ever met. He knew more about my Church, and was more fair about my Church, than many self-identified Christians who mock it..

Big loss. Huge.


46 posted on 11/25/2006 8:45:18 PM PST by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Condor51

There's definitely a certain amount of kettle/black on that score. See also: Theodore Adorno - "The Authoritarian Personality".

Some adherents to this notion will assert that Stalin was actually "right wing" or conservative, thus in their mind at least, neatly preventing any cognitive dissonance on their part. For my part, I think they are ignorant bordering on belligerent. It does explain the outright man-hating feminism, attacks on institutions like the Boy Scouts, organized religion, marriage, the family, and so on.
Respect for family, law and order, police, etc etc., is just latent fascism, you see.


47 posted on 11/25/2006 9:03:30 PM PST by Freedom4US (u)
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To: Elsie
Just wait; the Evo's are like buzzards in that they can smell a trace of religion in a thread a mile away!

More like sharks with blood, then they go on a feeding frenzy. Just to make sure, label it a prayer request.

48 posted on 11/25/2006 9:05:40 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Elsie
But don't the look at isolated followers of anything: but see what the ideal of the 'ism' is about.

Problem is, getting to the ideal of atheism is like trying to round up a herd of ferrets. There aren't any general tenants, no dogma, no real organization. The fact that many non-religious are liberals is a fluke I think, bred more out of the desire to be fashionable rather than reason, disappointing as that is.
49 posted on 11/26/2006 1:14:46 PM PST by Shion (Bring Back John Galt)
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To: Petronski
There are several atheists like that I agree, but you wont find them in certain cliques.
50 posted on 11/26/2006 4:23:04 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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