[HostileTerritory]

But if there'd been no Abraham Lincoln, there'd be no America today either, not as we understand it. And without Washington, we could have emerged as something like Canada.

[Huck]

But if there'd been no Abraham Lincoln, there'd be no America today either, not as we understand it.

Without Washington, there's no Lincoln. There's no way around that. In other words, you're wrong. No quit bugging me with your dumb comments.

[lentulusgracchus]

But if there'd been no Abraham Lincoln, there'd be no America today either, not as we understand it. And without Washington, we could have emerged as something like Canada.

You could say the same thing about James Knox Polk and "Manifest Destiny".

He's way down the list, and Sam Houston isn't on it at all, nor is Fremont, nor any of the other discoverers and explorers save Lewis and Clark.