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Woman, 92, fatally shot as 3 Atlanta officers wounded
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 11/21/06 | JEFFRY SCOTT, S.A. REID

Posted on 11/21/2006 9:12:54 PM PST by Hazcat

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To: Hazcat
If the cops keep this crap up, they may up ending the war on drugs all by themselves.

I guess the only good part is that anyone even remotely related to her is set for life.
41 posted on 11/21/2006 9:41:23 PM PST by microgood
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To: lesser_satan
No. Future "raids" should be conducted after performing surveillance on the house, and if it's discovered the sole occupant is a 92-year old woman, they should be conducted by uniformed officers who knock on the door, smile, and say "Good afternoon, Ma'm! Mind if we take a look around?", instead of going in like f$%king SEAL Team Six.

I'm on your side, FRiend. My last question was sarcastic. If there was ever a war that could be described as a "quagmire," the war on drugs is it.

42 posted on 11/21/2006 9:43:00 PM PST by highimpact
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To: dead
when undercover narcotics officers, who were not in street uniforms

It just seemed like a silly thing to report.

43 posted on 11/21/2006 9:43:07 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: microgood
I guess the only good part is that anyone even remotely related to her is set for life.

Yep, looks like Atlanta might be "under new ownership" ;).

44 posted on 11/21/2006 9:43:46 PM PST by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
One story said that she opened fire when the cops "approached the house." Man, that was one trigger-happy b!tch if that is how it happened.

And not a bad shot if she could hit three of them with a handgun before they could find cover.

45 posted on 11/21/2006 9:44:56 PM PST by highimpact
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To: FreedomCalls

46 posted on 11/21/2006 9:45:09 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup
It was that or point out how incredibly asinine his comment was. I chose the polite route.
47 posted on 11/21/2006 9:46:02 PM PST by mgstarr
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To: highimpact

Maybe not a bad shot...maybe just lucky.

My last day as a cop saw me pull off an amazing feat of marksmanship: after catching three rounds, one of them in the lung, I somehow managed to fire four shots from my revolver. One of them hit the perp in the right eye and blew his entire freakin' head open.

To see my shooting scores from the Army and the police range, you'd never believe I could do that.

I'd rather be lucky than good any day.


48 posted on 11/21/2006 9:47:32 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (I dare call it treason.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

Sorry. I mistook your entirely appropriate mocking of redunant journalism as a defense of the police procedures in this operation, and responed with no-knock sarcasm!


49 posted on 11/21/2006 9:48:25 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: highimpact
If there was ever a war that could be described as a "quagmire," the war on drugs is it.

Aye, that it is. The cure is becoming worse than the disease. However bad drugs are for society, government thuggery is worse.

50 posted on 11/21/2006 9:52:14 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Hazcat
THe APD are a bunch of fat corrupt thugs. They can gun down an old lady after barging in her home(couldn't they have cased it first and figured out Ms. Butterworth was home alone?), but they ran around town into each other like the Keystone Kops when Brian Nichols shot up the courthouse, walked around downtown strealing cars and shooting more people, hopped on MARTA to Lenox Mall area (leaving an already identified car neatly parked in the downtown garage where they were leading the search) and killed another guy.

I live here and most of the APD are fat idiots.
51 posted on 11/21/2006 9:55:33 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
My last day as a cop saw me pull off an amazing feat of marksmanship: after catching three rounds, one of them in the lung, I somehow managed to fire four shots from my revolver. One of them hit the perp in the right eye and blew his entire freakin' head open.

Damn. That's a helluva retirement story.

52 posted on 11/21/2006 9:57:34 PM PST by highimpact
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To: over3Owithabrain

Should be some great comments in the 'Vent" about this one.


53 posted on 11/21/2006 9:57:46 PM PST by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: Petronski
A dozen centuries qualify as "a period of time."

Yeah, I noticed that, too. What do you think that's all about?

CA....

54 posted on 11/21/2006 10:00:10 PM PST by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

I know an officer who was fired upon by a local wannabe bad ass in a small town years ago. The officer returned fire and one of the rounds hit the suspect directly between the eyes. I'm talking about having to take calipers to try to see if the round was millimeters closer to one eye than other.


55 posted on 11/21/2006 10:02:33 PM PST by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Chances Are
A dozen centuries qualify as "a period of time." Yeah, I noticed that, too. What do you think that's all about? CA....

It means "don't look for answers until we can figure the spin and how to 'adjust' the evidence".

56 posted on 11/21/2006 10:02:55 PM PST by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: highimpact
How does a 92 year old woman, home alone, get the drop on 3 policemen who presumably have their guns drawn?

She was protecting her home as any red blooded American would do.

Should future raids be conducted with more force to prevent dangerous 92 year old women from wounding officers with a rusty pistol?

No. These sort of raids should not be done at all. These assaults are often deadly and often result in the killing or maiming of innocents.

This is your war on drugs on steroids. And if it had been your great grandmother, I doubt you would be so callous.

57 posted on 11/21/2006 10:04:14 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: takenoprisoner

See the rest of our exchange, he was being sarcastic.


58 posted on 11/21/2006 10:06:51 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: lesser_satan; highimpact

oops. Best note that sometime highimpact.


59 posted on 11/21/2006 10:14:14 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: Hazcat

What's the point of being undercover if they're going to break down a door (and do anything in which they need to be known as police)? It seems as though they deserve the blame, not only for breaking into the wrong house (which could be excusable), but for failing to make it clear that they were police officers, thereby making the shooting far more likely.<<<<<<<

Another possibility:

Before everyone assumes the cops screwed up, it's very common for thugs/dope dealers to lie and use Grandma's address as their residence to the parole/probation officer or court. Sometimes they actually live there, often they just keep stuff there or use the property from time to time. If an actual warrant was obtained, then there was other info indicating criminal activity at the location.

Often, the press confuses serving a warrant with a warrantless search (probation/parole, can be done with or by the cops), which is often done at the address of record. Normally, a knock and notice is done first, on those searches. So Jr. could have given Grandma's address all over town, and be living elsewhere.

I'm guessing Grandma didn't answer the door, and the cops aren't about to stand out front while everyone inside gets rid of evidence or gathers weapons. Normally, there would be good reason to believe the thug was there or doing business there, so there isn't enough info at this point to know what happened. I sincerely hope nobody broke into the wrong address, wrong street, whatever.

Sad event, but likely there were other circumstances not disclosed. When the thugs use Grandma's address as their own, they subject that property to search and seizure as per their probation/parole conditions, nice thing to do to Grandma. I've dealt with many a mad Granny, but it doesn't usually end up tragic like this case.


60 posted on 11/21/2006 10:15:06 PM PST by Mjaye
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