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Megachurch pastor's trip draws criticism (Rick Warren,islam's newest useful idiot)
AP via newsobserver.com ^ | 11/16/2006 | BRIAN MURPHY

Posted on 11/17/2006 11:39:05 AM PST by Dark Skies

A trip to Syria that U.S. megachurch pastor Rick Warren says was inspired by a backyard chat with a Muslim neighbor has triggered criticism and questions that highlight the potential risks when preaching meets international politics.

But Warren's visit - which included a meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad - also reinforced his credentials as a rising force in a new generation of globe-trotting evangelists following famous predecessors including the Rev. Billy Graham.

Warren, who shot to superstardom with his blockbuster book "The Purpose Driven Life," said he was not attempting to dabble in the hypersensitive world of Middle Eastern politics in the visit that ended last Sunday. Warren said he went to Syria as part of a three-nation trip of pastoral outreach and humanitarian efforts that began in Germany and wraps up in Rwanda on Saturday.

His statement, however, came too late to curb disapproval of his trip as word of it spread via the Internet.

Warren has been criticized by some evangelicals for holding talks with a nation long accused of abetting terrorism that is also one of Israel's fiercest foes.

Conservative Christians have been among the toughest advocates in the United States for a hard-line against Islamic extremism. And Israel is strongly supported by a vast evangelical network, including some American churches that believe biblical prophecy calls for Jewish sovereignty over the entire Holy Land.

The Crosstalk Radio Talk Show, part of a Christian radio network, called Warren a "mindless shill" for Syria and said he "owes an apology to Israel, to the American people and to the victims of Syrian-sponsored terror."

The state-run Syrian Arab News Agency reported that Warren's delegation supported Syria's role as regional leader and expressed concern about U.S. policies, including the war in Iraq.

"The trip seemed like a message that you cannot ignore Syria's role in the region," said Imad Fawzi Shueibi, a Damascus-based political analyst.

Warren could not be reached in Rwanda for direct comment.

But a statement issued for Warren, who founded Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., described the Nov. 10-12 visit to Syria as "neither official nor political" and said he expressed "support for President Bush, our troops in Iraq and the war on terror."

Warren, however, consulted with "Syrian experts" in the U.S. government before the trip, said his U.S.-based spokesman, Larry Ross. No other details of the discussions were available. Warren's visit comes at a time when the Bush administration is under pressure to reach out to Syria and Iran to create greater stability in the Mideast, particularly Iraq.

Warren said in the statement that the trip was initiated after his Syrian-born neighbor urged him to visit his homeland during a discussion "over their backyard fence."

Warren's meetings in Syria included representatives from Syria's Christian minority, professors and the nation's grand mufti, Ahmad Bader Hassoun.

"I believe it is a mistake to not talk to nations considered hostile - isolation and silence has never solved conflict anywhere, whether between spouses or between nations," Warren said in the statement Ross released Thursday.

In July, Warren postponed a planned visit to North Korea, which is under huge international pressures to suspend its nuclear weapons program. But he is still invited to preach in March at the first outdoor Christian event in North Korea since 1945, Ross said.

Straddling the worlds of faith and diplomacy is nothing new for religious leaders. In 1977, Graham preached in communist Hungary, the first of his pioneering forays in the Soviet bloc. Pope John Paul II, the globe-trotting pontiff who experienced totalitarianism firsthand in his native Poland, is credited with helping bring about the end of communism with his travels abroad.

Warren cited Graham and John Paul as models in an interview about his planned trip to North Korea with the PBS show "Religion & Ethics Newsweekly" earlier this year.

"People say, 'Well, you're being a pawn. You're being used,' and things like that. The truth is I want to get the Good News out," Warren said. "My reasoning is: why not? There are people in North Korea that have not heard for 60 years there is a God."

Mark Noll, an expert in American evangelical trends at the University of Notre Dame, said Warren may be reaching a crossroads.

His ministry and writings have only faint political undertones. But he may be drawn into a political arena by the weight of his own celebrity.

"There's a trend that religious figures - once they get a certain level of visibility and fame - seem to get pulled into politics," said Noll. "Warren is at this stage. The question is whether he is looking for new worlds to conquer."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 11/17/2006 11:39:09 AM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies
The truth is I want to get the Good News out,

Yes but will you get it out?

2 posted on 11/17/2006 11:40:29 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Dark Skies

Gotta love the "megachurches". So pious, just like Jesus woulda wanted...


3 posted on 11/17/2006 11:41:33 AM PST by The Worthless Miracle (I think Jamie Dupree is annoying.)
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To: AppyPappy
The truth is I want to get the Good News out,

Define "Good News."

4 posted on 11/17/2006 11:44:23 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: Dark Skies
he may be drawn into a political arena by the weight of his own celebrity

It isn't just his celebrity that's packin' weight.


5 posted on 11/17/2006 11:47:09 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: Dark Skies

I am not a Rick Warren apologist. I know of him, however, I have not read any of his books or heard him speak. Having said that, let's not stand back her and cast stones at him as many did in yesterday's Rick Warren post.

I'll refrain from detailed comment, but I share the idea that the Good News should go out to all. Health people do not need a physician.


6 posted on 11/17/2006 11:47:12 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: Dark Skies

Look out, Jesse Jackson, here comes Rick Warren - and never mind little colored bracelets, Warrne has Hawaiian shirts!


7 posted on 11/17/2006 11:49:46 AM PST by twonie (Just because there are fewer of us don't mean we are wrong.)
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To: My2Cents

Was that a serious request or sarcasm?

Assuming you were serious, the word "gospel" means "good news." The gospel/good news is defined succinctly in I Cor. 15:1-7. " . . .that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures..."

Godspeed to Warren and any other Christian willing to visit a part of the world desperately in need of the good news he teaches.


8 posted on 11/17/2006 11:50:37 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: Dark Skies

Rick Warren is done. Ding!


9 posted on 11/17/2006 11:51:21 AM PST by TexanToTheCore (This space for hire...)
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To: Obadiah
Baloney!

I enjoyed Rick's book as much as the next guy. But when he starts interfering in the foreign affairs of our country, he can expect some pointed criticism.

10 posted on 11/17/2006 11:52:43 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Dark Skies

Perhaps RW is planning another book - with islam in mind - could call it "The Purpose Driven Death"?


11 posted on 11/17/2006 11:53:20 AM PST by Hegemony Cricket (I'm Hegemony Cricket, and I improvised this message.)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

Remember, Jesus preached to 5000.


12 posted on 11/17/2006 11:55:15 AM PST by bella1 (Support the Minuteman Project.)
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To: Jedidah

It was sarcasm. I don't finger Warren specifically, but I have seen how some congregations have taken to his "purpose driven" message, and it would appear from what they take from his books, the "Good News" is that any church can and should have a membership of 10,000 people.


13 posted on 11/17/2006 11:55:58 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: Dark Skies

I wonder at the pounding Warren is getting based solely on statements by Syria's government-run propaganda outlet. His people have vehemently denied almost everything the Syrians reported.

We are not so quick to believe our own media, why should we take anything from a totalitarian state's official propaganda organ at face value?


14 posted on 11/17/2006 11:57:14 AM PST by RebelBanker (It is, however somewhat fuzzier on the subject of kneecaps.)
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To: Dark Skies

Sounds like he wants to be a celebrity more than anything, just another narcissist.


15 posted on 11/17/2006 11:57:52 AM PST by word_warrior_bob
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To: bella1

Yes, and he did it without a multi-million dollar campus, high-tech audio-visuals, contemporary "worship" music, or a media empire.


16 posted on 11/17/2006 11:57:55 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents
>The truth is I want to get the Good News out,
"Define 'Good News.'"

In the context of this charlatan, that's easy.

...Democrats won [back] both houses.

17 posted on 11/17/2006 11:58:59 AM PST by Landru (That does it, no sleep number for you pal.)
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To: Dark Skies

Warren is a good man. That being said, there are real problems with some of his beliefs and theology.


18 posted on 11/17/2006 12:00:03 PM PST by vpintheak (Yep.)
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To: Hegemony Cricket

LOL


19 posted on 11/17/2006 12:01:12 PM PST by Vinny (You can't compromise with evil.)
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To: Dark Skies

What did his Muslim neighbor say to him that prompted this trip? It certainly wasn't that Muslims don't believe in Jesus Christ as their Saviour for we all know that. So what made him go to Syria?


20 posted on 11/17/2006 12:03:27 PM PST by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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