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It heats. It powers. Is it the future of home energy
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 14 November 2006 | Mark Clayton

Posted on 11/14/2006 12:32:02 PM PST by shrinkermd

Down in Bernard Malin's basement is a softly thrumming metal box that turns natural gas into hot water and generates $600 to $800 worth of electricity a year - a bonus byproduct of heating his home. "It's like printing money," says Mr. Malin, the first person in Massachusetts - perhaps in the nation - to own a residential "micro combined-heat-and-power" system, also known as micro-CHP.

But he's not likely to be the last.

Since Malin changed his home heating system to micro-CHP in February, 18 other families in the Boston area also have adopted the technology, which squeezes about 90 percent of the useful energy from the fuel. That's triple the efficiency of power delivered over the grid.

Factories and other industrial facilities have used large CHP systems for years. But until the US debut of micro-systems in greater Boston, the units had not been small enough, cheap enough, and quiet enough for American homes. Add to that the public's rising concern about electric-power reliability - seen in a sales boom of backup generators in the past couple of years - and some experts see in micro-CHP a power-to-the-people energy revolution....

(Excerpt) Read more at csmonitor.com ...


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...Micro-CHP doesn't come cheap - just with a long-term discount. Basic systems cost from $13,000 to $20,000, installed. Even at the lower range, that's at least $6,000 more than a new high-efficiency hot-air furnace, even after a gas company rebate. Result: The payback period on the initial investment is three to seven years, depending on the cost of electricity, say officials at Climate Energy. The company expects to install about 200 systems next year, mostly in New England.

Given consumers' interest in having a backup power generator on site, micro-CHP systems that provide that, as well as cut electric bills, may hold the most promise, say analysts.

1 posted on 11/14/2006 12:32:05 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

The company expects to install about 200 systems next year, mostly in New England.



I wonder what would happen to those units in an earthquake. My guess is they could make a bit of a mess.


2 posted on 11/14/2006 12:37:19 PM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: shrinkermd

sure, i bet. wonder how many people will spend 13 thousand dollars plus fuel for those internal combustion engines, to save one percentage point efficiency.

i'm skeptical - my furnace gets 89% now.


3 posted on 11/14/2006 12:39:36 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: shrinkermd

I wonder if it will run on propane - I'm about $15,000 from the nearest natural gas line.


4 posted on 11/14/2006 12:40:46 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: camle
i'm skeptical - my furnace gets 89% now.

Yes, but does it make your electric meter run backwards?

5 posted on 11/14/2006 12:41:33 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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Yes, it would make your electric meter run backwards, but your gas meter would run forward - rapidly. www.climate-energy.com

Power Generation Module

The power generation module, produced by the Honda Motor Company, is called the MCHP unit. This unit is an incredibly quiet (only 46 dBA at 1 meter) and long life small engine-generator that has already been installed in over 30,000 homes in Japan. The internal combustion engine runs on clean natural gas and can be located in a basement or utility room. This engine produces 1,200 watts of electric power and about 11,000 Btu's per hour of heat for the home.

Before the power from any generator is connected to the grid the electric power quality must meet certain standards. The MCHP uses advanced Honda solid-state inverter technology to automatically insure that the output power supplied to the home and to the electric grid is noise free, is the proper voltage and is synchronized with the AC power of the grid. In the event of a power failure the inverter immediately detects this upset condition and stops delivering power to the grid. This safety feature protects the grid equipment and service personnel.
Space Heating Module

The Climate Energy Warm Air Micro-CHP System integrates a custom state of the art high efficiency furnace produced by ECR International, Inc. with the Honda MCHP unit. The furnace is sized to meet the total heating load and provides the heat distribution to the home.
Cogeneration Heat Exchanger Module

The heat produced by the MCHP engine's cooling, lubrication and exhaust systems is captured and is transferred to a coolant loop that supplies heat to the furnace through the cogeneration heat exchanger module.


6 posted on 11/14/2006 12:44:48 PM PST by Rio (Don't make me come over there....)
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To: SFC Chromey
"I wonder what would happen to those units in an earthquake. My guess is they could make a bit of a mess."

Unlikely. These kind of units are "all one piece". The only thing coming in are the fuel and cold water line, and the only things going out are the power leads and hot water line. I suspect they have safety shutdowns for loss of water flow, and loss of fuel flow would cause a shutdown anyway.

No worse than would happen with any other natural-gas heated house with normal water heater hookup.

7 posted on 11/14/2006 12:50:33 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: mvpel

lots of things can make your electric meter run backwards, not many are cheaper tho, if any.

every time energy prices spike, these 'miracle' products come out of the woodwork. if they really were any good, they would already be out there in significant numbers, and everybody would be on wiating lists to buy them.

if it sounds too good to be true, it usually IS.


8 posted on 11/14/2006 12:50:49 PM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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To: shrinkermd
If you want long life, go geothermal. Expensive as all get out but it will last longer than my lifetime.

You don't have to pay for natural gas. The heat is free. You could run a generator off it, if set up correctly.

It's just not cheap, at all.

9 posted on 11/14/2006 12:55:56 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Rio
Interestingly enough, if you put more power into the grid than you take out, there are many public utilities that are required to pay you.

I knew a guy that had a waterwheel on his farm and 3 months out of the year he was paid for the excess power he generated.

10 posted on 11/14/2006 12:57:35 PM PST by be4everfree (Liberals are "Thick as a Brick" ......JT)
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To: shrinkermd

bump


11 posted on 11/14/2006 12:58:04 PM PST by lesser_satan (***PENCE FOR MINORITY LEADER***SHADEGG FOR WHIP***)
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To: mvpel

Yeah, could be useful out in the country. It sure is nice to have power and heat if the grid electricity goes out during the winter.


12 posted on 11/14/2006 12:58:52 PM PST by glorgau
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To: Rio

Besides Honda
Check out

http://www.chpa.co.uk/directory.htm for EU use, quite a few vendors, I guess because utilites are so expensive.

For more in North America

http://www.northeastchp.org/nac/businesses/pubs.htm

Fun technology to look at and pretty efficent - but I just put a 7K furnance/heat exchanger water heater in, so these won't be in my near future....but I did cut by natural gas bill by 58%.


13 posted on 11/14/2006 12:59:45 PM PST by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: SFC Chromey
"I wonder what would happen to those units in an earthquake. My guess is they could make a bit of a mess."

Why? It's just a generator running on natural gas... How would it be more dangerous than a furnace running on natural gas?
14 posted on 11/14/2006 1:04:39 PM PST by babygene
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To: glorgau
The generator function would be nice to have here in Northern Ohio, the home of massive grid failures!
15 posted on 11/14/2006 1:06:46 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: shrinkermd

Ping to read later.


16 posted on 11/14/2006 1:09:59 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: shrinkermd
In the future, every house will have its own electric power source, and perhaps sell electricity back to the power grid.
17 posted on 11/14/2006 1:19:39 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: camle

Yes, it's 89% efficient at turning a high-value fuel into high-entropy heat energy. I think the idea here is that you can generate electricity from the fuel with high efficiencies at home, since what would normally be waste energy, typically in the form of hot exhaust gases and the heat given off by the engine, instead goes back into heating the house, which needs to be done anyway. The article seems to be saying that doing this is more efficient than using the same natural gas to generate power at a station some distance away and then transmit it to your house. Of course, there are other, much cheaper, less valuable fuels that can be used in industrial power generation, such as coal or heavy oil, that aren't very usable at home. Interesting, though. Maybe this could improve overall energy efficiency in our society, and reduce some of the demand for more centralized power generation and distribution lines, which are extremely capital intensive, and which have long lead times for construction.


18 posted on 11/14/2006 1:22:41 PM PST by -YYZ-
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To: camle
AMEN and amen.

"Caveat Emptor is the slogan we live by..."

19 posted on 11/14/2006 1:24:11 PM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: SFC Chromey
I wonder what would happen to those units in an earthquake. My guess is they could make a bit of a mess.

Here in CA, my gas line has an automatic shutoff at the meter, which is standard for CA. No big deal.
20 posted on 11/14/2006 1:25:00 PM PST by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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