Posted on 11/09/2006 7:25:30 AM PST by Small-L
What is completely shot (I hope) is this notion of a patient electorate waiting for the war on terror to be won.
Americans are the least patient people on the planet.
They love 'Mission Accomplished' but loathe 'Hold the Course'.
Mr. Bush - what have you done for me lately ?
BUMP
2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Well then as soon as Bush signs the new reform package he will get from the Dems, we will ne back in power.
No, they voted against Kerry, not the same thing.
Unfortunately he is dead, the reality is we have GW.
No, socialism packaged as conservatism lost.
"I really doubt that. Show me 1 poll that reflects this please."
Here are a few during the Senate debate:
FOX 7/13/06
37% to 32% feel Democrats would do better job on immigration
37% to 31% feel Republicans would do better job on border security
Failure to pass a bill would be Bush and Republican congressional fault 43%. Democrats in congress 21%
41% to 36% Immigrants give to the country rather than take away
51% say immigrants should decrease; 41% no change or increase
34% feel borders should be secured first; 35% feel deal with those here first; 28% both equally
Tarrance Group Survey 6/12-13/06
75% of likely voters wanted something similar to the Senate version
49% said it was not amnesty
95% said it was important to pass a bill this year
Gallup 6/8-25/06
59% said immigration should remain at current levels or increase
67% said immigration was a good thing; 28% said bad
66% said illegals cost too much; 29% pay fair share
74% say illegal immigrants take jobs most Americans don't want
66% say illegals should remain if they meet certain requirements; 16% want to deport all
LA Times/Bloomberg 6/24-27/06
34% - 23% Democrats can do better on immigration
87% say immigration is most important or one of most important issues
51% say illegals take jobs no American wants
46% support guest worker program; 22% oppose
67% want illegals to have a path to citizenship
44% want a felony for being in US illegally
58% want a tougher enforcement combined with a guest worker program
22% want only tougher enforcement
60% will be disappointed if no bill is passed this year
NBC/Wall Street Journal 6/9-12/06
50% want increased border security
40% want a guest worker program; 34% do not
More today believe Democrats will do better on immigration than 11/05
50% feel immigration helps; 50% feels it hurts. 12/05 hurts was 53%, helps was 37%
50% favor the Senate Bill; 33% favor the House Bill
CBS News Poll 6/10-11/06
33% approve of President Bush on immigration; 56% disapprove
API/Ipsos 5/15-17/06
52% believe immigration is a good influence on US; 46% a bad influence
Fox News Poll 5/16-18/06
57% feel illegal immigration is very serious problem, 29% somewhat serious
63% favor letting those with jobs apply for legal, temporary worker status
55% favor sending as many back as possible
CBS News Poll 5/16-17/06
77% favor Senate approach to citizenship
61% favor a guest worker program
CNN Poll 5/16-17/06
50% disapprove of Bush handling of immigration; 36% approve
79% favor the Senate approach to citizenship
66% favor increasing penalties for employers who hire illegals
ABC News/Washington Post Poll 5/11/15/06
77% feel US not doing enough to prevent illegal immigration
Newsweek Poll 5/11-12/06
61% disapprove of Bush handling of immigration
CBS News/NY Times Poll 5/4-8/06
61% say legal immigration should be at current levels or increased; 34% say decreased
89% say illegal immigration is a very serious or somewhat serious problem
53% feel illegal immigrants take jobs no one wants; 36% feel they take jobs away
61% feel illegals should be given chance to keep jobs; 35% feel they should be deported
66% oppose a 700 mile fence; 29% favor
70% feel illegals weaken the economy
These polls show that most Americans consider immigration a serious issue, most want strong enforcement, but most want something similar to the Senate version.
I can also show more going back to late last year showing similar results.
GOP sealed it's fate when we rejected shamnesty. Does anyone trust e voting?
I second this. The voters got tired of the lies.
Vancomycin-resistant Socialistococcus aholes
Agree completely with that. The fence is a total illusion.
RE your post #68:
You'll notice that most of those polls use the word "immigration" rather than "illegal aliens" or "illegal immigration". Also, if any of those polls discussed the actual issues at hand (such as the projected $500,000,000,000.00 price tag for "comprehensive reform" over the next decade), you would see the numbers change radically.
Finally, Congress threw out the Senate plan because of OVERWHELMING resistance against it... that resistance came from the voters.
Ahh, yes... the "Virtual Fence". It really is a fence. Virtually, anyway.
To the contrary. Yes, there are about 20 million illegals here. No, most will not qualify under the terms of the bill. Please point to the provision that authorizes 100 million illegals to become citizens. What can be worse? Had the Republican house agreed to meet in conference, much of what most of us dislike and much of what we like in the house bill would have come together. Now the house bill is dead. A comprehensive package will now look pretty much like the Senate version. It's called shooting oneself in the foot!
Spin it all you want. What the polls show is that most Americans wanted a comprehensive package that permitted those already here to stay. I also have about twenty more polls showing much the same thing. Most Americans know you cannot find and deport 20 million illegals.
$500,000,000,000.00 price tag for "comprehensive reform" over the next decade), you would see the numbers change radically.
Yep. If it were true. But of course, we know that the major part of the price tag will be what you want anyway, which is a completely secure border, with a 50 foot high wall and ten immigration agents every 100 feet. Then, of course, finding, charging, jailing and ultimately deporting 20 million felons is the rest of the cost.
Finally, Congress threw out the Senate plan because of OVERWHELMING resistance against it... that resistance came from the voters.
So all the polls were wrong? So the Democrats who overwhelmingly favored the Senate bill were not elected yesterday?
Your post abandons rational thought, given the mountain of evidence contrary to your positions. As such, I am not inclined to waste time with a reponse to each point. However, read and learn.
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