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Scientists Seek Indian History Underwater[North America]
The Day ^ | Joe Wojtas

Posted on 11/07/2006 1:28:01 PM PST by FLOutdoorsman

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To: blam; xcamel
Here's a site you may find interesting..

http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/nerc.html

There's a link about halfway down the page that is titled " A Quick Background to the Last Ice Age " which deals with the climatic conditions prevailing in various time periods leading to the present...
It gives a good background on what sort of living conditions ancient man had to endure, and some insights into climatic changes and cycles that hint at good times among the bad..

I found it interesting that during the last 17,000 years or so, there have been several warm and cold periods, wet and dry periods, etc..
Change of climate could on occasion occur over a period of less than 100 years...

Imagine listening to your grandfather complain about how bad he had it as a kid, when it was really cold and dry, and everywhere one went was always uphill..

Oh.. Also a little lower down is a link to an article about a siberian glacial mega lake.. Much like Lake Agassi here in the northern midwest..
Given the time period, such flooding could drive some people to emigrate to relatively "safer" territory in the "new world"..

41 posted on 11/08/2006 8:45:05 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Arthalion

42 posted on 11/08/2006 8:51:33 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach
Good site, but they start right out with an invalid premise - about 21.25% of the available dry land mass is missing from their maps/assumptions.
43 posted on 11/08/2006 8:51:37 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: xcamel; blam
Good site, but they start right out with an invalid premise - about 21.25% of the available dry land mass is missing from their maps/assumptions.

I'm sure there is plenty of other information out there that is far better and more complete, for a price...

This was available on the 'net, and it was free...

The author freely admits that the information is incomplete, and will probably require massive editing, correction, etc., in the future..
It is still one of the few sites I found with maps for the historical period that bore some resemblance to the sea-level map that blam posted..
The additional info was a "plus" in my opinion..

44 posted on 11/08/2006 9:01:58 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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Agreed, once I dug deeper into the credits and citations. It's just taken too many years of chipping away at the "conventional wisdom" and "unassailable facts" to get some real science investigating the continental shelf and rolling back the clock another 50K years.


45 posted on 11/08/2006 9:08:22 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

Am I reading that they are looking for SALT MINES underwater?

Wouldn't the salt disolve back into the sea water?

This sounds fishy to me.


46 posted on 11/08/2006 9:48:08 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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Wouldn't the salt disolve back into the sea water?

No..
This is rock salt, or halite..
It has been compressed and heated by geologic forces until it has crystallized, become plastic and flowed like a liquid under pressure, then cooled..

Rock salt in these domes has to be blasted and drilled just like any rock or mineral..


47 posted on 11/08/2006 10:12:40 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: ridesthemiles
"Wouldn't the salt disolve back into the sea water?"

There are miles deep salt layers on the bottom of the Mediterranean which has completely dried out 40+ times. The last time it was completely dry was 5 million years ago.

Now, I suspect that it (The Mediterranean) was blocked from the world's oceans during some parts of the last Ice Age and may have been seperated into a number of sections and dessicated to very low water levels in those sections....the same may have happened in the Gulf Of Mexico.

48 posted on 11/08/2006 10:31:32 AM PST by blam
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To: Drammach
"Here's a site you may find interesting.. "

Thanks.

49 posted on 11/08/2006 10:35:27 AM PST by blam
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The discovery by CRICHTON E M MILLER is an absolute trip. The guy figured out that the cross, in particular the cross as depicted by the celtics, is in fact a highly accurate navigational device. The device makes navigation to the new world a cake walk. I for one cannot beleive that this highly sophisticated, yet simple, navigational/surveying instrument has been right in front of our very eyes for millenium. If only the Greeks and other civilization had realized what the cross really depicted. Below is a summary of a book the guy wrote.

This artifact is capable of measuring all angles possible and coupled with sufficient astronomical knowledge it reveals all the mysteries of the ancients, how they kept time and measured the stars, sun, moon, planets and sailed the oceans of the world.
But it goes further than that, exposing the Ancient’s fundamental spirituality and understanding of the world, nature and the universe.

Crichton has discovered and published this rich source of understanding in his book “The Golden Thread of Time” ISBN 0-9541639-0-7.

Many of these revelations have never been seen by the public before and are a must for those who seek truth and understanding.
Crichton Miller applied for a patent on the cross and plumb line in 1998 and the patent was finally granted in November 2000 as an astronomical, surveying and navigational instrument by The British Patent Office.
The result of this patent is the instrument you see below, as you can see it is a faithful representation of the Celtic cross in (Figure 1).

Figure 3

This resurrected version of the cross is made so that modern people may understand it and compare it with the cross (in figure 1) or with any Celtic cross in any part of the world. The working cross is marked in degrees round the edge and the wheel spins freely on a hub. The cross arms are perforated with viewing holes to allow the observer to read the angles and the bottom of the wheel is weighted so that it will always point to the center of the earth.
The scale around the outer edge of the wheel runs from 0 degrees at the bottom to 90 degrees clockwise and anti clockwise so that horizontal measurements can be taken in any direction through the viewing holes.
You can see the advantages of this instrument immediately when you look at the photograph below of an observer measuring the angle of the sun as it rises in the east at dawn. As the world spins round, the sun appears to rise from the horizon and its angle of ascent may be read from the scale directly.
This angle changes, as the season’s progress throughout the year and time and place may be determined from the results of observing stars, planets and constellations

Figure 4

Crichton considers himself fortunate to have discovered the gift of the cross to pass on to his fellow man. The cross should be completely understood by as many as possible, for it was the foundation of the very roots of ancient Civilization, wisdom and understanding. Crichton believes that, in these current, dangerous and confused times, we could do well trying to understand the deeper knowledge of our ancestors and apply some of it to our present world.

Crichton’s website www.crichtonmiller.com


50 posted on 11/08/2006 2:40:52 PM PST by StructuredChaos
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To: Drammach

FYI: something that gets missed also.. 10-50K years of drift between NA and Europe needs to be subtracted. (as little as 2" to as much as 50"/year)


51 posted on 11/10/2006 4:20:21 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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One place to look for sure is the submerged forest off the coast of Nantucket...

I've even heard of these being sighted off the coast of NH... during exceptionally low-tides.

52 posted on 11/10/2006 4:28:42 AM PST by johnny7 ("We took a hell of a beating." -'Vinegar Joe' Stilwell)
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To: xcamel
Assuming 2 ft yr for 50K yrs, that's still only 18.9 miles..
Not that much travel distance..

More likely the lower sea level is the enabler here..
Most of the continental shelf would be dry land, extending the coast by several hundred miles..
On both the American side and the European side..
The combined distances could reduce the trans oceanic distance by as much as 1000 miles..

Add to that the possibility that seasonal winds blew from europe to america, and you have a viable scenario..

53 posted on 11/13/2006 1:00:40 AM PST by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: xcamel

Wow, I hadn't realized that such "anomalies" in the coastal finds had been handed over to modern-day tribes. Given the way those five Indian tribes claimed to be heirs of that anomaly known as Kennewick Man, and thus demanded the remains, I can see how other groups want to cover up anything that doesn't fit traditional theory.

It's certainly a tragedy how Indians as a whole were massacred, abused, and herded onto reservations. Unfortunately, many folks tend to be ignorant or dismissive of their history... But this does not mean that their modern counterparts should be so anti-science and anti-research. It ultimately hurts their cause.


54 posted on 11/26/2006 9:41:29 PM PST by GOPlibertarian
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Note: this topic is from November 7, 2006.
Thanks FLOutdoorsman.




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