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1 posted on 11/03/2006 4:30:05 PM PST by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
Yes, I read that. At first I thought "rats deserting a sinking ship." But the ship is not sunk and is not sinking except as defined by the MSM.

Each of those mentioned scarcely seem able to function except as magnificent individuals; not a team player in the bunch.

President is good at judging people, but these prove the exception to the rule. Everything they say is unnecessarily gloomy and distracting. Buchanan could give them lessons in treachery.
2 posted on 11/03/2006 4:45:36 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: HAL9000

Pearle and co. are nothing but self-serving traitors!

People get fooled by the "conservative" part of "neoconservative", not realizing that they are nothing but commies and ex-commies who twist whichever way the wind blows. They have always looked down on the president, only using him to further their atheist agenda, and then abandoning him when it's convenient to do so.


3 posted on 11/03/2006 4:50:09 PM PST by TheTruthAintPretty (G-d Bless our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, fathers and mothers in harm's way!)
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To: HAL9000

just a typical pre-election hit piece from Greydon & the Seymour Hersh crowd.


4 posted on 11/03/2006 4:52:17 PM PST by meg88
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To: HAL9000
"The levels of brutality that we've seen are truly horrifying, and I have to say, I underestimated the depravity," Perle says now...

It's truly stunning to hear Richard Perle, one of the chief motivators of the Iraq war, make such an admission. How does a thoughtful person underestimate the depravity of the sort of men who enjoy slowly lowering living prisoners, feet first, into plastic shredders?

What a disappointment Perle has shown himself to be. He can wash his hands in public but it won't remove the stains.

7 posted on 11/03/2006 5:28:31 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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Devastating to the administration. Absolutely devastating.

Pearle, Adelman, Frum, Ledeen, Gaffney, who, if not direct architects of the war, were at least among its most vocal and public proponents in 2003, are now sticking a shiv in George W. Bush, the same man they praised for his resoluteness back then.

From the beginning, as an investigation of my posts would show if anybody took the time or interest to look, I've criticized the wisdom of the attack on Iraq. Once we were in, however, I wanted us to win. Now we see the rats above deserting the ship, a sure sign that failure and defeat is near certain.

George W. Bush, as I said here to an eminent FR poster who took the opposite view, will not be appreciated by future generations for his boldness. He'll be scorned for his recklessness. Iraq is a disaster, a mistake that never needed to happen.

8 posted on 11/03/2006 7:00:57 PM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: HAL9000

They've been reading too many buchanan articles.


12 posted on 11/03/2006 7:22:44 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: HAL9000

Pile of crap. The war is not lost, but it may be. Perle is right in one major respect - the terrorists are able to kill anyone over there at will who appears to be helping us. Ralph Peters and Jack Kelly just had good columns last week about the only way to save the situation is to do what we should have been doing from day one - impose martial law and started killing people, starting wth that fat f--k Sadr. Absolutely ridiculous that this prick is still breathing. If we're not prepared to do that, then we're screwed, and we're right back to 1974, folks.


17 posted on 11/03/2006 9:49:22 PM PST by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, son of Jor-el!)
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To: HAL9000

The whole premise for Iraq had to be stop risk of nuclear/bio terror in hands of terrorists, and the ability to build democracy in post-defeat Iraq.

The former premise was valid. Iraq had boasted about and used WMD.

The latter premise depends on making chicken salad out of chicken sh!t (also known as arabs and islam).

The latter is proving to have been a false premise. Arabs and islam are genetically not amenable to civil democracy.

Bush made his decision based on hope for chicken salad. He often expounds his belief in the power of democracy, and a belief it is possible for all people.

He should not be faulted for this hopeful optimism.


18 posted on 11/03/2006 11:32:11 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: HAL9000

The Washington cocktail party circuit must of poisoned their minds. It has a way of brainwashing conservatives.


24 posted on 11/04/2006 12:35:04 AM PST by dancusa (For liberals there is no end to their rights and no beginning to their responsibilities.)
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To: HAL9000
From the Vanity Fair article, "Neo Culpa"

David Frum: "I always believed as a speechwriter that if you could persuade the president to commit himself to certain words, he would feel himself committed to the ideas that underlay those words. And the big shock to me has been that although the president said the words, he just did not absorb the ideas. And that is the root of, maybe, everything."

Translation: Bush (43) says things that he does not mean or worse yet, understand i.e. he is a liar.

Michael Rubin, former Pentagon Office of Special Plans and Coalition Provisional Authority staffer: "Where I most blame George Bush is that through his rhetoric people trusted him, people believed him. Reformists came out of the woodwork and exposed themselves." By failing to match his rhetoric with action, Rubin adds, Bush has betrayed Iraqi reformers in a way that is "not much different from what his father did on February 15, 1991, when he called the Iraqi people to rise up, and then had second thoughts and didn't do anything once they did."

Translation: Bush (43) is like his father Bush (41). Bush (41) said that, "he was a little fuzzy on the vision thing". Bush (41) was inherently not worthy, qualified of the office of President of the United States of America. Bush (43) is just like his father, not worthy of trust, nor of the office.

30 posted on 11/04/2006 5:26:10 AM PST by Mel Gibson (Read the book, "Hatred's Kingdom" by Dore Gold)
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To: HAL9000

Perle, Frum and Kristol have been second guessing Bush the entire time. Neither the president, nor I, ever cared what these idiots said. Bush has never been a "neocon" (code word for jew). Neither has Rummy, Pace, Franks, Rice, Negroponte, Powell, Cheney or 99% of the people in Bush's ineer circle of advisers.

It's a Pat Buchanan/liberal MSM myth that these bozos had any influence over the president.


36 posted on 11/04/2006 7:39:08 AM PST by pissant
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Richard Perle and Ken Adlemann are both (imo) looking to the future. They have never been significant players in the Beltway, except for the honorariums heaped upon them by the MSM (DBM).

They want to protect their "legacy" in the history books and still be marketable to the next administration.

We should all remember that the next election cycle begins with the end of the prior election, now upon us.


46 posted on 11/05/2006 8:34:28 PM PST by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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