Bingo. There you go.
You know this elist scumbag never will.
Posted on 11/01/2006 12:52:06 PM PST by presidio9
ALBANY - The city should slash the number of people who are allowed to carry concealed weapons, Mayor Bloomberg said yesterday.
"We've taken a look at it to see whether we couldn't have fewer," Bloomberg said. "I can tell you one thing: We will keep it to as a minimum as we possibly can."
Bloomberg added that he has asked Police Commissioner Ray Kelly to tackle the issue.
"If you want a gun permit, you should have to really show that your life is in danger, and that having a gun will protect you, will improve the chances of you surviving," the mayor said.
He added that he doesn't have a problem with people who own guns to hunt, but said it doesn't make sense for those in densely populated urban areas.
"I do think that having concealed weapons on the streets of major cities is not something that is in the interests of the citizens of those cities in this day and age, and I don't think the founding fathers really thought about that when they drafted the Constitution," Bloomberg said.
The mayor has been on a much-publicized national campaign to crack down on illegal guns and dealers who sell them.
Yesterday, he traveled to the state Capitol to join Gov. Pataki, who signed a law that will strengthen penalties against those who are carrying a loaded, illegal weapon at the time of their arrest, as long as its outside the home or workplace.
Pataki said, though, that he supports the current law regarding the number of permit-holders.
"I think the law we have is a very good law, and right now, you have to have a permit and I think that is appropriate," he said.
Gun-rights supporters blasted
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Oh, in other words the police will keep you safe? Have you seen the stats, Mikey? The police are overwhelmed, and there are at least tens of thousands of rapes, robberies and assaults EACH MONTH in the city that you govern, most of which likely wouldn't happen if the goblins thought that Joe or Jane citizen could give them an injection of hot lead without worrying about your Praetorian Guard putting them in prison for the "crime" of defending their lives.
...and I don't think the founding fathers really thought about that when they drafted the Constitution," Bloomberg said.
Schmuck! Arrogant, runt-like dictatorial schmuck! The 2nd Amendment has NOTHING whatsoever to do with the control of street crime, and especially NOTHING to do with something so trivial as hunting. It has EVERYTHING to do with stopping a government from becoming a tyranny, or overturning a tyranny if one came about...and such a thing can only happen when the state has an effective monopoly on force.
IOW, little Mikey, it has everything to do with stopping the likes of you from taking our guns away. Pretty bright guys, those Founding Fathers. They knew that little pustules on the @ss of humanity like you would come to power, and crafted the perfect instrument to prevent you from making the rest of us your servants.
("If you want a gun permit, you should have to really show that your life is in danger, and that having a gun will protect you, will improve the chances of you surviving," the mayor said.)
That's fine if he guarantees that he's responsible for every possible murder where the victim never has a chance to defend herself. He should pay every murder victim's family $2 million. After all, if he's saying that individuals should not be responsible for defending themselves, than the police, i.e. the government, should guarantee this since they are the ones responsible for the population's helplessness and disarmament.
Bingo, remember when Bernard Goetz shot those hoodlums?? Crime against persons on subways dropped like a rock until he was caught. Concealed carry works.
In fairness to Bloomberg (or, more truthfully, Giuliani), NYC is the safest big city in the United States. If you discount terrorist threats that is...
If the criminals can be realitively certain that no one is toting a gun ... as Bloomberg would have it ... then everyone will be able to "really show" that their lives are in danger.
the problem in a city is - when do you "draw" first? if someone "looks bad" on your subway car, do you pull out your weapon first because you fear them? if they bump into you too agressively boarding the car, do you draw on them. hey, maybe they are going to rob you, you can't be sure, and if you wait until they get the drop on your first, what good was having your own gun?
there are too many dynamics in a large metropolitan area for broad CCW (home and business defense is a totally different story). too many people, too many interactions amongst them. its not like living in a place where you get into your own car in the morning, drive alone, park in your spot at work, then go home at night. most suburban americans come into contact with very few "strangers" in their daily routines, think about it. think about how different that is in a city like NYC.
This is the same rehetoric used by people who claimed that concealed carry would result in shoot-outs at fenderbenders on crowded TX and FL streets.
Bingo. There you go.
You know this elist scumbag never will.
With respect, I think you are wrong. Every single time that CCW has been proposed, its opponents have screamed about there being "blood in the streets," a "wild West atmosphere," "shootouts over being cut off on the road," etc., etc., ad nauseum. We now have 38 states with shall issue CCW laws, most of which contain at least one major city. None of the predictions have come true, but crime has dropped relative to the national average in every single one of those states. The fact is that people who carry are checked out thoroughly, often are required to go through training, and virtually all become (if they aren't already) more responsible in their use of firearms than even the police.
Oh, and why should a resident of NYC or Washington or Chicago have less rights than a resident of Miami, Houston or Philadelphia (all of which have state level shall-issue permitting)??? What about Equal Protection...or doesn't the Constitution apply there?
Crazy talk.
When someone "looks bad" on a subway car now, what do people do?
Do they all flee and give the "looks bad" guy his own car?
Do they flee when someone jostles them?
No and no.
They keep alert and observant to make sure they are not in danger.
If they are in danger, they can often flee - but too frequently when the "looks bad" guy is an "is bad" guy, they get stabbed or worse.
As someone who rides the NYC subway twenty times a week, I would love it if law-abiding citizens were allowed to carry. Law-abiding people are not itching to shoot people - they carry weapons as insurance, not for thrills.
So, when a New Yorker is attacked physically, he/she should try and get a picture of the suspect on their cell phone, quickly send it to Mikey, and Mikey will send a courier out with a hand gum and a permit right away, in time to save your behind? LOL!
Great, let's make sure to use this logic with seatbelts in our car & fire extinquishers in our homes.
Perhaps an added benefit is that people would be forced to be more civil to one another. The threat of getting swiss-cheesed is a great politness motivator.
Also, when a frivilous shooting DOES occur, the perp's not going anywhere, because every witness at this point has now pulled his piece and is now pointing it at him.
Boloney! Leave your feeeeeeeeelings out of this, ok?
Very true the perps biggest advantage is an unarmed victim. Unfortunately with todays difficult to obtain permits and far too restrictive carry laws the perps give criminals almost no reason to fear their prey. A perps worse nightmare however is a well armed potential victim. Except in the case of a convicted violent crime felon or lack of mental capacity there is no reason for any government body to deny anyone the right to go armed.
The mayor is only helping to create a class of PROTECTED BECAUSE OF AFLUENT POSITION Society. That is because only they due to their positions of power, connections, and popularity will make them the elitist worthy of the right of self defense.
You draw when your life is threatened, or face legal consequences. It is not the job of the government to tell anyone when they are in danger.
If a hot-head kills someone for looking at him funny, they can be prosecuted, so the big city, lots of people reason to deny a constitutional right does not hold water.
there are too many dynamics in a large metropolitan area for broad CCW (home and business defense is a totally different story). too many people, too many interactions amongst them. its not like living in a place where you get into your own car in the morning, drive alone, park in your spot at work, then go home at night. most suburban americans come into contact with very few "strangers" in their daily routines, think about it. think about how different that is in a city like NYC.
This is correct. Though many people refuse to believe it.
Mayor Bloomberg wants to cut back on gun permits. May i ask have they had a big surge in people with gun permits killing others. Have the people with permits been holding up banks or gas stations. What are the figures?
If the people with the gun permits are the ones doing crimes by all mans arrest them and take thei permits. If they are not, Why take their guns? Doesnt make sense.
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