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Need Tax Help? Report Offers Slim Chance of Seeing the IRS (Another Reason For The Fair Tax)
Washington Post ^ | October 27, 2006 | Stephen Barr

Posted on 10/29/2006 4:40:21 AM PST by Man50D

Talking taxes with the Internal Revenue Service is never easy. Scheduling an appointment to resolve tax problems isn't, either, according to a recently issued report.

Federal auditors made 36 telephone calls to IRS taxpayer assistance centers to schedule meetings when they could discuss tax issues but were able to set up only five appointments.

Of the 31 failed attempts, four IRS employees did not return calls, and the 27 employees who did "would not, for various reasons, allow the auditors to schedule appointments," according to the report by the Treasury inspector general for tax administration.

The inspector general ran the phone test to gauge whether taxpayers were receiving "quality customer service" when calling local IRS offices to schedule appointments.

The IRS suggests that taxpayers visit the agency's 400 assistance centers when they have complex tax issues, need to resolve tax problems, have questions about tax law or feel more comfortable talking to a person than clicking through the IRS Internet site.

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IRS management agreed to take steps to improve the handling of requests for appointments.

The IRS has existed for decades and now they're just starting to improve handling of requests for appointments? The most effective step is to abolish thr IRS by passing The Fair Tax (Title III SEC. 301. PHASE-OUT OF ADMINISTRATION OF REPEALED FEDERAL TAXES.)

1 posted on 10/29/2006 4:40:22 AM PST by Man50D
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To: ancient_geezer; Taxman; pigdog; Principled; EternalVigilance; PhilWill; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; ...

Fair Tax ping!


2 posted on 10/29/2006 4:40:58 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: Man50D
The inspector general ran the phone test to gauge whether taxpayers were receiving "quality customer service" when calling local IRS offices to schedule appointments.

THis is like setting up observation equipment to guage whether the sun rises in the east.

3 posted on 10/29/2006 5:39:16 AM PST by Principled
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To: Man50D

And, to make matters worse, if you are able to get through to the bastards, and you take their advice, and are subsequently audited, you could be found guilty of tax FRaud, despite adhering to the IRS' advice!

Let me try that again -- using exact IRS telephone or in-person advice to complete your tax forms does not provide ANY insurance against being charged with a tax code violation.

Bottom line, it is not worth it to even try to get advice FRom the IRS. Because once (IF!) you get through to the bastards, their advice is worthless!

Save your time and energy -- hire a CPA or buy a computer program and then spend your time working with Americans for Fair Taxation to get the FairTax passed!


4 posted on 10/29/2006 5:51:02 AM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Man50D
Years and years ago I had a 'mail audit' by the IRS. They sent a letter saying I owed like $120(?) due to math error. The even pointed out the line number where I 'goofed.'

Well I dug out my return, found the error and yep, they were correct. BUT I also found I overlooked taking an allowed deduction and after everything, they owed me like a $220(?) refund. So I wrote back THANKING them for finding my error and to please send me my $220 refund.

HA! They disallowed my LEGAL deduction and now wanted like $160.00(?). I sent the check the next day.

I LOVE the IRS (really, I do, honest).

5 posted on 10/29/2006 6:02:10 AM PST by Condor51 ("Alot" is NOT a word and doesn't mean "many". It is 'a lot', two separate words.)
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To: Man50D
I had appointment at the Social Security office. Needed to give and get some information. When I asked the Nigerian agent to repeat or rephrase a question I could not understand, I received a lecture, with attitude, on how he could not speak more plainly then he was.
6 posted on 10/29/2006 6:16:02 AM PST by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: Condor51
I take it you filed an amended form once you found you missed an additional deduction. If it was legal why did you write the check? Did you have some prior tax returns you were afraid they might go back and audit?
7 posted on 10/29/2006 6:24:47 AM PST by tuvals (America First - Support Our Troops!)
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To: Man50D
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

We will never again be a truly FREE people so long as there is an income tax and the IRS!

The bill to get rid of both is currently languishing in congress (HR/25, S/25) and I frankly don't know why we aren't having a REAL million man march on Washington!

8 posted on 10/29/2006 6:32:19 AM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: tuvals
Yep 1st sent in amended form for the refund - with my letter of thanks.

And I sent the check because as for that amount of money there was no way I'd take off from work to fight the idiots in a face to face sit down.

And no, no problems with any previous year return audit, it was just the aggravation factor - like giving a homeless guy a quarter to just go away.

And I think it was my letter of thanks for finding my error that ticked them off. They prolly thought I was being sarcastic.

9 posted on 10/29/2006 6:35:55 AM PST by Condor51 ("Alot" is NOT a word and doesn't mean "many". It is 'a lot', two separate words.)
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To: Man50D

I bought my present home from some investors who bought it in a HUD auction. Apparently the original owner had tax problems also becaue once a month I get a letter from the IRS addressed to the guy asking for money. I've called twice with all the details about how he hasn't lived there for years. Each time they took down the info, thanked me, assured me that the situation would be corrected then promptly sent more collection notices. I don't even waste my time anymore I just throw the letters straight into the trash.


10 posted on 10/29/2006 6:44:33 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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Each time they took down the info, thanked me, assured me that the situation would be corrected then promptly sent more collection notices. I don't even waste my time anymore I just throw the letters straight into the trash.

Just one more example, from a VERY long list, of the ineffencies of our current tax system. It needs to be pulled out by it's roots and thrown onto the ash heap of history!

FairTax.org

11 posted on 10/29/2006 7:19:35 AM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Taxman

It sounds like they are now more afraid of us than we are of them. Good, I say place the boot on their heads and never let em back up. It's time to get rid of this lame scum.


12 posted on 10/29/2006 7:23:57 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: tuvals

EVERYONE who has EVER filed a "return" should fear such an event.

In answer to a question from one of the Capitol Hill morons who keep us yoked (falsely) under a tax system better suited to the old Soviet Union concerning the incredible complexity these same morons have created, I believe it was IRS Commissar Roscoe Egger who declare that "There has never been filed a tax return with which we (the IRS) can't find SOME PROBLEM."

Is THAT a comforting thought or what??

I believe even the old Soviet Union now has a flat tax (which I DO NOT advocate) and may be investigating a national sales tax (which I do support) as easier to administer.

And why should we fear a tax system NO ONE -- not even the IRS and the bean-counters -- understands?

"... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any
government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
......just pass the the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

- p.411,
Ayn Rand, ATLAS SHRUGGED, Signet Books, NY, 1957




13 posted on 10/29/2006 7:38:32 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Man50D

An analysis of the numbers indicates that the so-called "Tax Court" is getting over 3,000 NEW cases each and every month.

Talk about a job security program...

The whole corrupt, liberty-destroying monstrosity MUST be dismantled before we lose it all (if we haven't already).


14 posted on 10/29/2006 7:41:00 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Taxman; pigdog; Principled; EternalVigilance; rwrcpa1; phil_will1; kevkrom; n-tres-ted; Zon; ...
A Taxreform ping for you all.

Top Ten Civil Liberties Abuses of the Income Tax

The current IRS commissioner concedes that the income tax has become too complex for accurate administration, which is evident in the 28 percent IRS error rate on phone inquiries and 60 percent error rate on audits.

 

"It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so volumionous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man who knows that the law is today, can guess what it will be tomorrow. Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule which is little known and less fixed?"
-- James Madison, Federalist #62

 

If anyone would like to be added to this ping list let me know.

John Linder in the House(HR25) & Saxby Chambliss Senate(S25) offer a comprehensive bill to kill all federal income, SS/Medicare payroll, and gift/estate taxes outright replacing them with with a national retail sales tax administered by the states.

H.R.25,S.25
A bill to promote freedom, fairness, and economic opportunity by repealing the income tax and other taxes, abolishing the Internal Revenue Service, and enacting a national retail sales tax to be administered primarily by the States.

Refer for additional information:


15 posted on 10/29/2006 7:46:27 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: ancient_geezer

And who can forget IRS agents testifying before congress wearing MASKS like mortally endangered witnesses.


16 posted on 10/29/2006 8:26:12 AM PST by groanup (Limited government is the answer. What's the question?)
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To: groanup
Masks, oh no, the IRS Taliban. The IRS is useless but another prime example of government glut. Pork, unnecessary jobs, security and growth. Hell, I agree it is time for reform and the only way to accomplish it is to keep hounding those who represent us with letters, phone calls or perhaps not voting for them in their next election. The sad thing is we see this type of beauracracy at all levels of government from town, city, state and all the way up to the Federal Level. Woe to all of us! Hey, we only pay the freight! /sarcasm
17 posted on 10/29/2006 8:58:54 AM PST by tuvals (America First - Support Our Troops!)
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To: Dick Bachert

I believe even the old Soviet Union now has a flat tax (which I DO NOT advocate)



Our income tax started out as a flat 1% tax on high incomes only!


18 posted on 10/29/2006 9:34:41 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Dick Bachert
"... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. ......just pass the the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

- p.411, Ayn Rand, ATLAS SHRUGGED, Signet Books, NY, 1957

That is one POWERFUL quote Mr. Bachert and a perfect description of "the game" we lovers of liberty must end if our children and grandchildren are to know ANYTHING of the FREEDOM that was intended for them.

19 posted on 10/29/2006 1:44:50 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: Bigun

Big,
SHARE IT WITH EVERTONE YOU KNOW WHO CARES ABOUT WHERE WE'RE HEADED AND MIGHT BE INCLINED TO LEND A HAND TO STOP IT.


20 posted on 10/29/2006 4:55:25 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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