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Aggressive SoCal brush fire prompts mandatory evacuations (Fox News reporting 3 Firemen dead.)
SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE ^ | October 26, 2006 | Jacob Adelman

Posted on 10/26/2006 11:23:58 AM PDT by kellynla

CABAZON – Mandatory evacuations were ordered early Thursday as a brushfire ripped through this desert area near Palm Springs, threatening homes and businesses. The 800-acre fire was being fueled by 25 mph winds that could build, said Becky Luther, a spokeswoman for the California Department of Forestry-Riverside County Fire Department.

The fire was burning in a remote valley between rolling, brush-spotted hills. The area contained mainly scattered ranch homes but the hamlets of Poppet Ranch and Twin Pines were evacuated along with a juvenile center, Twin Pines Boys Ranch.

About 100 homes were ordered evacuated, Banning police Sgt. Mike Loader said.

No injuries or building damage were reported.

Luther said there was a danger the blaze could claim up to 25,000 acres if the fire, which was moving southwest, reached a nearby forest where many trees had been killed by a bark beetle infestation. There also were many homes in the resort community of Idyllwild.

“The biggest concern is if it gets over the hills,” Luther said. “That's where all of the homes are.”

The area has repeatedly burned and the regrowth is mostly grass and chaparral that burns hot and quick, allowing the fire to spread quickly but with little staying power, Luther said.

“It's moving quite rapidly,” she said. “Let's hope it burns itself out.”

About 300 firefighters were working the fire, she said.

A local road, Highway 243, was closed.

Televised reports showed a twisting ribbon of flame that sent up pillars of smoke that shrouded the area.

An emergency evacuation center was set up at Banning Community Center, near Cabazon. Drayer Eveline, 83, got an evacuation call at 3:30 a.m. She packed her clothing, medicine and her Brittany spaniel into her station wagon and left with an 84-year-old neighbor who couldn't drive.

“The whole sky was gray” with smoke, she said.

Timo Hargu, 61, said he rushed from his hilltop home with his two dogs after he looked out a window and saw fire burning toward him in a valley.

“The whole thing was ablaze with flame,” he said. “It was the most spectacular view. A terrible view, but spectacular.”

The area is sparsely populated, with homes a mile or more apart, he said. Cabazon is about 90 miles east of Los Angeles and 17 miles northwest of Palm Springs in Riverside County.


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KEYWORDS: arson; california; fire
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Fox News is reporting 3 firefighters dead and 2 more seriously injured. 4,00 acres have burned.
1 posted on 10/26/2006 11:23:59 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

I was wondering where the fire was - total fire sky in Temecula....


2 posted on 10/26/2006 11:27:09 AM PDT by justche (If you're afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: kellynla

Yikes!


3 posted on 10/26/2006 11:28:12 AM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: kellynla

Bush's fault.


4 posted on 10/26/2006 11:29:17 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: MineralMan

Total Smoke Sky in Escondido!


5 posted on 10/26/2006 11:29:56 AM PDT by mmyers
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To: kellynla

Video at link: http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_299080335.html


6 posted on 10/26/2006 11:30:10 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: kellynla

Burning Trees Pollute A Lot







By Ed Klim
President, International Snowmobile Manufacturers Association

I attend meetings discussing land access and environmental issues across the United States, Canada and into Europe. I am always amazed at the positions presented by some of the "Green Elitists," so I will share a couple of them with you here.

I was recently in California and a number of environmental extremists at the meeting were ecstatic the Clinton Roadless Rule has resurfaced and it is their hope that any road construction and/or maintenance on approximately 60 million acres of U.S. Forest land will be stopped. At the meeting, I heard countless fire suppression experts talk about the need to maintain roadways for firebreaks and for entrances and exits to allow firefighters to fight fires. Also during the meeting the environmental elitists spoke incessantly on how fires in our forests are needed and in fact are good. I was somewhat shocked at their comments, since I have walked through a burned forest and discovered literally thousands of dead, burned animals. I also know that forest fires cause a huge amount of air pollution, which I thought bothered the "greenies."

The California Air Resource Board (CARB) is concerned with pollution caused by forest fires and has developed a model that estimates the amount of pollution caused by a forest fire. The data is quite stunning. A one acre fire in a conifer forest emits one ton of particulate matter, nine tons of CO, 0.6 tons of HC and 0.25 tons of NOx. So, a quick review of EPA data shows that 1,040 new cars operating normally for one month (which is approximately 1,250 miles of driving) will match the emissions from a 1 acre fire.

The Day Fire, which started in California on Labor Day and was finally under control on Oct. 2, 2006, burned more than 160,000 acres of forest. Quick math would show the recent fire in California generated 160,000 tons of particulate matter and 1.4 million tons of carbon monoxide. The numbers are pretty staggering. Pollution caused by the Day Fire alone equals the emissions of 166,400,000 automobiles driving on the road for one month. Wow! That is an interesting number to remember, especially when you hear somebody say that forest fires are good for the forest. Maybe we should harvest a few trees and lower wood prices for our children.

Another issue that is often discussed at hearings across the United States is the Endangered Species Act (ESA). We know that the U.S. House of Representatives passed legislation that would have corrected the weaknesses of the ESA but the U.S. Senate failed to even vote on the legislation. It appears the Big Breen Groups are staunchly against changes to the Endangered Species Act no matter what.

I recently attended a meeting on this issue and discovered that homeowners in Boiling Spring Lakes, NC, were fearful that the ESA might designate entire city neighborhoods as "protected habitat," subject to restrictions to save a threatened woodpecker. The individuals in North Carolina were told that if their neighborhood was designated, their children could be held liable for inadvertent violations of the Endangered Species Act. That means that anyone convicted of harming or harassing a woodpecker could face up to a year in prison and $100,000 in fines. Reacting to the fear of losing the ability to maintain their home site, landowners swarmed city hall for lot clearing permits and since then, the city has issued 368 logging permits. The city fathers have watched with dismay as lots across the area on Big Lake have been gradually stripped to sandy soil. The homeowners determined that they didn't want to have their neighborhoods designated, so they removed the nesting pine trees that were around their homes.

Yes, it’s a pretty sad state when a poorly written law can't be changed by the Senate and it causes individuals to change their neighborhood to protect their homes and their children from harassment and fines by the federal government.

Sometimes, we just need to use a little bit of common sense and honesty when discussing important issues that impact us all.

I thought this was a pretty interesting read.

Prayers for the firefighters and their families.


7 posted on 10/26/2006 11:32:25 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Snap,bang or fizz works for me)
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To: kellynla
Added ca (US: California) to the TOPICS list for our FRiends who monitor California news in the sidebar.

Instead of just scrolling past them all, please take a moment to click the applicable state(s) on the Topics screen when posting news of particular interest to people in that state.

8 posted on 10/26/2006 11:34:18 AM PDT by newgeezer
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"Fox News is reporting 3 firefighters dead and 2 more seriously injured. 4,00 acres have burned."

Make that FOUR THOUSAND ACRES HAVE BURNED.


9 posted on 10/26/2006 11:35:06 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: newgeezer

ya, we're a little more concerned about the fire than you're posting suggestions, thank you


10 posted on 10/26/2006 11:36:36 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

Well, watching FOX reporter showing wide angle shot from Cabazon and knowing that area. If it has not burned in recent years and winds being erratic this will get worse.Prayers for those families of the dead firefighters and prayers for those still on those lines.
Have not heard how long the Santa Ana winds are supposed to last?


11 posted on 10/26/2006 11:37:39 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

Just spoke with my brother in Indio. He said the winds were supposed to last another couple of days.


12 posted on 10/26/2006 11:38:49 AM PDT by babaloo
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To: kellynla

..I'm in San Jacinto right now--it is surreal--everything covered with ash--very difficult to breath...


13 posted on 10/26/2006 11:39:49 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: mmyers

What's the weather like there? This sounds like a bad one.


14 posted on 10/26/2006 11:39:49 AM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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ya, we're a little more concerned about the fire than you're posting suggestions, thank you

I thought you wanted to reach California FReepers.

My bad.

15 posted on 10/26/2006 11:40:37 AM PDT by newgeezer
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To: kellynla

got this off an email:

USFS PIO said right on CH 7 at 11:19: CONFIRMED 3 USFS FFs deceased, 2
in critical condition. Burned over north of Twin Pines off Hwy 243.


>
> Very bad news on CH 7 at 11:10. Go their site for details.


Also said 4.5 thou acres burned.

Wow. This is what Santa Anas can do. And why fighting fires in chapparal Pcan be so very dangerous.


16 posted on 10/26/2006 11:42:41 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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Red flag warning until Saturday..however today is supposed to have the highest winds of the event..it will still be Windy friday and Sat just not as bad as today(according to the NWS)


17 posted on 10/26/2006 11:45:06 AM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: justche
I was wondering where the fire was - total fire sky in Temecula....

What is a fire sky? Do you see smoke or flame?

18 posted on 10/26/2006 11:48:50 AM PDT by countess
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To: countess

It's a weird grey sky - like smoky clouds


19 posted on 10/26/2006 11:51:30 AM PDT by justche (If you're afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

while it is snowing in Colorado...
sure could use that moisture over here!


20 posted on 10/26/2006 11:53:27 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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