John Danforth Takes on the "Religious Right"

FR | 10-16-06 | Me

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

Just pick up a copy of Slander by Ann Coulter and read her chapter on the subject of the "religious right." In terms of the MSM...there is nothing more heroic than badmouthing the christian conservatives.

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

Robert Bork said it is only a matter of time...eventually the SCOTUS will find that homosexual marriage is a constitutionally protected right and he made a point that turned me...Marriage will be decided on the national level and you are naive to believe that relegating it to the states is the solution...so we should fight for an amendment to the Constitution, but we should gradually work our way to also preventing civil union (homosexual marriage under a different name) by reaching too far all at once.

That was one big problem I had with Danforth...they blame the wrong side for the so-called culture war in America, but the notion of a "center" is just as wrong...or like I said, "what’s mine is mine and what’s yours is negotiable."

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

I place Hatch in the same category...he stood shoulder to shoulder with Biden saying they simply committed mass suicide at Waco.

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

No, I will condemn that "church." Hell, in New Jersey, they have some heretic...an openly homosexual bishop...who spreads such ludcrous messages that Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior, had homo-erotic relations with Saint John. The mainline denominations are corrupt and we shouldn't hide that fact or contribute to it. Perhaps I should tell you about the Methodist Board specifically appealing to Clinton to pardon FALN terrorists (130+ bombings...several deaths...and dozens wounded) comparing them to the Apostles Paul and Peter!

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

A while back a did a few threads on this subject...and you find that the mainline denominations are where you find this small, but concentrated mass of people who call themselves "progressive Christians" and basically they are identical to Hillary Clinton in political belief and make a complete mockery of the Christian faith. Opps...I being "divisive." How may I build your middle, masta Danforth?

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

Amen to that!

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

I said it on another thread...all you heard after Waco was that it was mass suicide by these lunatic cultists...until I watched a documentary with the creator of FLIR showing beyond a doubt that the ATF fired autoatic/semiautomatic fire into the compound on numerous occasions, to give one quick example, and I saw that they specifically decided to fire massive amounts of a nerve gas on the very likely refuge of the women and children...a gas that in those quantities would have caused violent spasms and a painful death...I to my fault fell for it, but now I know the truth...over 70 men, women, and children were killed by the ATF under the head of Janet Reno.

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

Why did the Clinton administration attack a small and pitiful religious group, suspected of relatively trivial offenses, with two U.S. Army tanks, U.S. Air Force aircraft and helicopters, mine detectors, machine guns, 700 men and the secret, highly trained U.S. Delta military force created for use against dangerous terrorists? The picture of the U.S. Army tank ramming the Branch Davidians' buildings will go into history as a pictorial legacy of the Clinton administration, along with the famous photograph of the grabbing of Elian Gonzalez with a pointed machine gun. Those powerful images illustrate law enforcement under Bill Clinton. Danforth declared "with 100 percent certainty" that government agents "did not unlawfully employ the armed forces of the United States." Even if it is true that this large-scale military offensive was within the letter of the law (and it appears to be a gray area), that shouldn't end the analysis. We want to know who gave the order to use military force against civilians who were not terrorists or any threat to others. And if what the government did and didn't do at Waco was all within the law, then the law ought to be changed or, at the very least, heads should roll for such extraordinary bad judgment. To the question, "Did federal agents start the fire?" Danforth answered no. But the FBI spent six hours pouring into the Davidians' wooden structure the poison gas known as CS, which is banned for use in war by the Chemical Weapons Treaty. Even if the Davidians were to blame for the fire, that doesn't excuse the government's actions because both sides could be at fault. Why didn't the government have fire hoses ready to save the children? Danforth didn't ask any questions about why the government conducted a 51-day siege of the Branch Davidians' compound. Nor did he ask why the government cut off the Davidians' water and electricity and tormented them with recordings of animal screams played at a deafeningly high pitch. Danforth reported that the government "did not engage in a massive conspiracy and cover-up." The weasel word is massive. He had to admit that FBI agents and lawyers did conceal information about the pyrotechnic devices the FBI fired, about the videotape proving that an FBI agent authorized the explosive rounds and about the evidence of fired rounds collected at the scene. Danforth also admitted that these FBI concealments "contributed to the public perception of a cover-up and permitted a false impression to persist." If there wasn't a cover-up, why did the FBI, on the day of the final assault, keep newsmen and television cameras on the side of the building where they couldn't see or photograph the military offensive? The Danforth report blames the public for believing that the government was at fault and for ignoring "the contrary evidence that the FBI waited for 51 days without firing a shot." But he didn't ask why the FBI didn't wait 51 weeks rather than initiating an attack that resulted in the incineration of more than 80 people including at least 20 children, most of them younger than age 10. So many questions were excluded from the Danforth investigation because it was limited to events on April 19. For example, why didn't the government arrest Koresh on one of the many days when he went jogging outside the compound? The Danforth report appears to be designed to restore public confidence in our government rather than to discover what happened and why. Unfortunately, this report looks like government people closing ranks to protect each other, and that does not restore our confidence.

Danforth report asks wrong questions about Waco

[Conservative Coulter Fan]

Saint Jack is at it again. The former United States Senator and Ambassador to the United Nations has published a book condemning the religious right. When he was a Senator John C. Danforth was known as Saint Jack, not as a term of endearment but of sarcasm. Danforth pretended to know everything. My only contact with him was during the Clarence Thomas Supreme Court confirmation debate. Thomas had worked for Danforth and Danforth was Thomas' staunchest ally in the Senate. Or was he?

After much debate, the Senate entered a unanimous consent agreement to vote on Thomas at a time certain. Meanwhile, the Senate was voting on the Family and Medical Leave Act. A cloture petition had been filed. If cloture were invoked it would make the Family and Medical Leave Act the pending business. Thus, the unanimous consent agreement would be out the window. The vote on cloture was so close that it came down to Danforth's vote. If he voted to invoke cloture the carefully negotiated unanimous consent agreement would be gone. One after the other his colleagues pleaded with him to stick with them and vote against cloture. The vote on the Thomas nomination would have been held on a Friday. The vote count seemed that Thomas would be approved by about 65 to 35. When confronted by the leadership of his own party Danforth told his colleagues that he simply disagreed. His stubbornness meant that the Thomas vote had to be postponed. Guess what? That next week, while the Thomas nomination was in limbo, one Anita F. Hill appeared on the scene and into history. She so damaged the reputation of Thomas that the effect of what Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA) has called a pack of lies is still felt. All the evidence demonstrated Thomas' innocence. By the time the Senate did get around to voting, Thomas was approved by a slim 52 - 48 margin. Thanks, St. Jack." --Paul Weyrich, The GOP - Inclusivity or Danforth Elitism?

[little jeremiah]

Later read and likely MA pingout.

[Aetius]

Well, the Amendment that has twice failed so far does in fact permit state legislatures or the people of a state to enact civil unions on a voluntary basis; or in other words, if they choose to or not. Those claiming it bans them are intentionally misreading language clearly designed to stop courts from imposing civil unions.

Otherwise I agree that a SCOTUS imposition of gay marriage/civil unions is pretty much inevitable over the long term. Even if the High Court rules correctly the first time, that doesn't mean they won't come back in ten years or so and reverse course, as we've seen them do on state sodomy laws and 'juvenile' capital punishment.

The only way to really stop it owuld be to adopt some type of federal amendment.

[Raquel]

Good take on the RINO. Thanks.

FYI see my article on Ann Coulter

http://www.raquelwalker.com/commentary/index.php?cPath=30_69&osCsid=c3059675af57e49a0c60cc41eafa3440

[M. Thatcher]

John Danforth and John Kerry: switched at birth. A pair of bores whose egos have outrun their IQs.

[KsSunflower]

bump for later....

[Patton@Bastogne]

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Unam Sanctam,


So John Danforth disagrees with traditional Christians on various social issues. Fine, he's entitled to his opinion.


Here's another take. Danford has his little book to promote ... and his editors/publishers (exactly) timed it's release for early October 2006 ...

Does Danforth do this for Money ? Hardly. He's already filthy rich ...

Rather (ironic term that is, LOL) ... Danforth, like soooo many current "Conservative Pundits / Ego-Maniacs" ... wants to make a name for himself ...

Rather (LOL) than making a "GREAT" name for himself vis-a-via Reagan, Limbaugh, Cheny, Rumsfeld (et al) by his GREAT achievements ... Danforth, like John McCain, elects for the "easy street" temptation offered by the MSM ... be a TRAITOR.

So Danforth is all the MSM liberal rage now ... celebrated even at Barnes & Noble Bookstores, where his "little" book is prominently displayed at the Front Entrance ...

And, by-the-way, SOME of the Danforth-McCain "Conservative Ego-Maniacs" frequent Free Republic ... declaring that they're (somehow) smarter than the rest of us by NOT VOTING.

I guarantee ANYONR that if these Pathetic Clowns were offered to share a cup of cold BLACK COFFEE (no sugar) with President Bush in the Oval Office ... and have their Egos "pleasured" ... they'd walk out with "changed minds", and urge everyone to vote, vote, vote ...


Patton-at-Bastogne

"May God and His Angels Guard Your Sacred Throne, and May You Long Become It."

Shakespeare, Henry V, Act I, Scene II


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