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To: Zeroisanumber

If by leaving it to the states, you mean the people and/or the legislature, then fine by me. Afterall, it is the Constitutionally-correct position.

But some leading libertarians are not so willing to leave it to the states. Pat Buchanan wrote an article not too long ago calling for a truce in the Culture War, in which he basically called for a states rights approach to social issues, including marriage. But "Reason" magazine's Nick Gillespie took issue with that by taking the thorougly leftist, thorougly absurd, position that such a truce is not acceptable because the Constitution demands abortion and gay marriage rights, and as such, the unenlightened masses of backward states must bow to a wiser rule of federal judges.

Obviously, Gillespie does not speak for all libertarians, but he is one of the most visible mouthpieces for libertarianism on television. Still, I may be giving him too much credit for influence among libertarians, but it would be nice to hear more libertarians take your stated position.


18 posted on 10/12/2006 4:55:42 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: Aetius
If by leaving it to the states, you mean the people and/or the legislature, then fine by me. Afterall, it is the Constitutionally-correct position.

Agreed.

But some leading libertarians are not so willing to leave it to the states. Pat Buchanan wrote an article not too long ago calling for a truce in the Culture War, in which he basically called for a states rights approach to social issues, including marriage. But "Reason" magazine's Nick Gillespie took issue with that by taking the thorougly leftist, thorougly absurd, position that such a truce is not acceptable because the Constitution demands abortion and gay marriage rights, and as such, the unenlightened masses of backward states must bow to a wiser rule of federal judges.

I disagree with Gillespe. Abortion and gay marriage are no more a federal issue than legalized gambling, and both issues should be left to the states. The only exceptions that I could see to that would be issues of racisim or religious descrimination which are urgent enough to require federal intervention/mediation.

Obviously, Gillespie does not speak for all libertarians, but he is one of the most visible mouthpieces for libertarianism on television. Still, I may be giving him too much credit for influence among libertarians, but it would be nice to hear more libertarians take your stated position.

Speaking for Libertarians is sort of like speaking for a herd of cats: You might be making the most noise, but we're pretty much going to do our own thing regardless.

The modern Libertarian position really formed itself around the later career of Barry Goldwater, who's committment to small government and individual rights was an excellent example of the Libertarian ideal.

21 posted on 10/12/2006 5:53:08 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Aetius
Reason seems to have a bit of a liberal-libertarian bent, unlike many other libertarians (such as myself) that consider ourselves conservatives. I still read Reason if I see an article that looks interesting, but I take it with a grain of salt. A few months ago I remember I read the Reason staff's picks of who their favorite Supreme Court justices where, and that was a real eye-opener for me - a couple named Ruth Bader Ginsburg. To me, Clarence Thomas is the only Supreme Court justice that could be considered libertarian (maybe Alito, we'll have to see).

Anyways, both I and anyone else I know who considers themselves a libertarian does indeed favor a state's rights based approach to dealing with social issues. However, most of us will take the "liberal" position within our state.
50 posted on 10/13/2006 11:18:01 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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