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Legalization for aliens a 'must,' Bush announces
World Net Daily ^ | 10/11/06 | Staff

Posted on 10/10/2006 10:45:57 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky

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To: BenLurkin

There is a big difference between knowing who is here (legalization) and making them citizens. I want to know who is here at minimum, and then we throw the bad apples back over the fence.


61 posted on 10/11/2006 3:06:59 AM PDT by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: Ol' Sparky

deport them all and make it where if your illegal mom came here and had you, you are not a citizen.


62 posted on 10/11/2006 3:08:45 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: primeval patriot
I see he's rolling out the red carpet, again. An apalling and shameful dereliction of duty

Yea as in yet more pandering to Red China. Mexico mega-port plan key to 'NAFTA superhighways'

WASHINGTON – There are mixed signals coming from Mexico about the fate of a proposed mega-port in Baja California for mainly Chinese goods that would be shipped on rail lines and "NAFTA superhighways" running through the U.S. to Canada.

Bush is as every bit as much a globalist as Jimmy Carter. Strange that people can see Carter is a NWO shill for a world government but call Bush's plans for the same thing or regional consolidated national governments but for different reasons brilliant. Bush trade policies will be the death of the United States as we know it. He sells out our national sovereignty for trade deals with China and Mexico. Everything this man does in foreign policy wise centers around trade usually with illicit nations who crap on our laws or foreign policy.

If it's appeasing {To pacify or attempt to pacify (an enemy) by granting concessions, often at the expense of principle} China or Mexico that takes priority. GW Bush JR will either go down in history as being the GOP's LBJ or Carter. Bush forgets he was not elected to be a multi-national president nor organizer of a North American government which is where we are headed much more so that before he was elected POTUS. He needs to stop acting like the King of North America. We do not need a consolidated North American government driven by Bush Family trade friend China.

63 posted on 10/11/2006 3:13:05 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: Woodman

This is BS. I despise these guest worker proposals .... But even if enacted why on God's green earth would you reward these lawbreakers with a path to citizenship? It's bad enough their anchor babies are citizens.


Legalizing our illegal aliens into guest workers = STUPID
Allowing them to become citizens= WAY BEYOND STUPID
AND gives the Donks just what they want, new voters


64 posted on 10/11/2006 3:13:18 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: Timedrifter

I am beginning to wonder if this issue is so dear to him that he would try and throw this election to the democrats so his amnesty bill can pass. These comments will only demoralize law and order Republicans with less than a month before the election.

Then he deserves the result: Pelosi as Speaker and the resulting impeachment


65 posted on 10/11/2006 3:15:25 AM PDT by beaware (Who cares about the caribou! Drill in ANWAR!)
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To: beaware
I am beginning to wonder if this issue is so dear to him that he would try and throw this election to the democrats so his amnesty bill can pass. These comments will only demoralize law and order Republicans with less than a month before the election.

Then he deserves the result: Pelosi as Speaker and the resulting impeachment

With your above, I don't have to wonder that you wear tinfoil.

66 posted on 10/11/2006 3:18:04 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: cva66snipe

I just find it sad that every time we hear about some proposal to help out with terrorism or immigration, it's OUR RIGHTS that go away.

Not the illegals. Not Abdul from Turdistan. Bob Walker from someplace near Peoria now needs to get a microchip.

And we don't need cameras at the border, but we sure gotta have them at the closest stop sign to make sure Bob comes to a full stop.

Then, we'll all be safe. Yup.


67 posted on 10/11/2006 3:20:25 AM PDT by djf (There is no such thing as "moderate muslims". They are all "silent supporters!!")
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To: beaware
I am beginning to wonder if this issue is so dear to him that he would try and throw this election to the democrats so his amnesty bill can pass. These comments will only demoralize law and order Republicans with less than a month before the election.

Then he deserves the result: Pelosi as Speaker and the resulting impeachment

GW Bush and friends will never suffer from this. It is we who will reap the whirlwind with Pelosi as Speaker and if Donks do even better than that. For elite Republicans this just a color war like we had at sleep away camp. You and I care, they don't.

68 posted on 10/11/2006 3:26:07 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: Ol' Sparky
"...that we must figure out a way to say to those that if you're lawful..."

No, Mr. President, what you want is to figure out a way to grant amnesty to the unlawful THEN make your statement apply. ILLEGAL ALIENS are NOT lawful, breaking every law from their illegal entry to theft and forgery. Enforcing the law will FORCE the illegal out or put them behind bars and you are against it. Don't shade the truth.

69 posted on 10/11/2006 3:26:35 AM PDT by azhenfud (an enigma between two parentheses)
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To: Ol' Sparky
And what about the ones who have absolutely no desire to assimilate, Mr. President?

Naturalize them anyway?

70 posted on 10/11/2006 3:29:49 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: azhenfud
THEN make your statement apply. ILLEGAL ALIENS are NOT lawful, breaking every law from their illegal entry to theft and forgery

And they kick little puppies to as they clean toilets and wash dishes.

It's hyperbole like that really poisons the debate. I don't see someone building shelter or growing food as the epitomie of evil as you do.

71 posted on 10/11/2006 3:30:17 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: dennisw
GW Bush and friends will never suffer from this. It is we who will reap the whirlwind with Pelosi as Speaker and if Donks do even better than that.

Then we need a third party.

72 posted on 10/11/2006 3:30:29 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Dane

Still shilling I see, for the Mexicans who did your roof


73 posted on 10/11/2006 3:32:22 AM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok)
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To: dennisw
Still shilling I see, for the Mexicans who did your roof

Still using untrue hyperbole I see.

74 posted on 10/11/2006 3:33:31 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

Hyperbole?
You are full of it and always have been.



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Release date: 2005-08-03

(a) Whoever, in a circumstance described in subsection (c) of this section-
(1) knowingly and without lawful authority produces an identification document, authentication feature, or a false identification document;
(2) knowingly transfers an identification document, authentication feature, or a false identification document knowing that such document or feature was stolen or produced without lawful authority;
(3) knowingly possesses with intent to use unlawfully or transfer unlawfully five or more identification documents (other than those issued lawfully for the use of the possessor), authentication features, or false identification documents;
(4) knowingly possesses an identification document (other than one issued lawfully for the use of the possessor), authentication feature, or a false identification document, with the intent such document or feature be used to defraud the United States;
(5) knowingly produces, transfers, or possesses a document-making implement or authentication feature with the intent such document-making implement or authentication feature will be used in the production of a false identification document or another document-making implement or authentication feature which will be so used;
(6) knowingly possesses an identification document or authentication feature that is or appears to be an identification document or authentication feature of the United States which is stolen or produced without lawful authority knowing that such document or feature was stolen or produced without such authority;
(7) knowingly transfers or uses, without lawful authority, a means of identification of another person with the intent to commit, or to aid or abet, any unlawful activity that constitutes a violation of Federal law, or that constitutes a felony under any applicable State or local law; or
(8) knowingly traffics in false authentication features for use in false identification documents, document-making implements, or means of identification;
shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section.
(b) The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) of this section is-
(1) except as provided in paragraphs (3) and (4), a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 15 years, or both, if the offense is-
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(i) an identification document or authentication feature issued by or under the authority of the United States; or
(ii) a birth certificate, or a driver’s license or personal identification card;
(B) the production or transfer of more than five identification documents, authentication features, or false identification documents;
(C) an offense under paragraph (5) of such subsection; or
(D) an offense under paragraph (7) of such subsection that involves the transfer or use of 1 or more means of identification if, as a result of the offense, any individual committing the offense obtains anything of value aggregating $1,000 or more during any 1-year period;
(2) except as provided in paragraphs (3) and (4), a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than three years, or both, if the offense is-
(A) any other production, transfer, or use of a means of identification, an identification document,,[1] authentication feature, or a false identification document; or
(B) an offense under paragraph (3) or (7) of such subsection;
(3) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 20 years, or both, if the offense is committed-
(A) to facilitate a drug trafficking crime (as defined in section 929 (a)(2));
(B) in connection with a crime of violence (as defined in section 924 (c)(3)); or
(C) after a prior conviction under this section becomes final;
(4) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 25 years, or both, if the offense is committed to facilitate an act of international terrorism (as defined in section 2331 (1) of this title);
(5) in the case of any offense under subsection (a), forfeiture to the United States of any personal property used or intended to be used to commit the offense; and
(6) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, in any other case.
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(2) the offense is an offense under subsection (a)(4) of this section; or
(3) either-
(A) the production, transfer, possession, or use prohibited by this section is in or affects interstate or foreign commerce, including the transfer of a document by electronic means; or
(B) the means of identification, identification document, false identification document, or document-making implement is transported in the mail in the course of the production, transfer, possession, or use prohibited by this section.
(d) In this section-
(1) the term “authentication feature” means any hologram, watermark, certification, symbol, code, image, sequence of numbers or letters, or other feature that either individually or in combination with another feature is used by the issuing authority on an identification document, document-making implement, or means of identification to determine if the document is counterfeit, altered, or otherwise falsified;
(2) the term “document-making implement” means any implement, impression, template, computer file, computer disc, electronic device, or computer hardware or software, that is specifically configured or primarily used for making an identification document, a false identification document, or another document-making implement;
(3) the term “identification document” means a document made or issued by or under the authority of the United States Government, a State, political subdivision of a State, a foreign government, political subdivision of a foreign government, an international governmental or an international quasi-governmental organization which, when completed with information concerning a particular individual, is of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purpose of identification of individuals;
(4) the term “false identification document” means a document of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purposes of identification of individuals that-
(A) is not issued by or under the authority of a governmental entity or was issued under the authority of a governmental entity but was subsequently altered for purposes of deceit; and
(B) appears to be issued by or under the authority of the United States Government, a State, a political subdivision of a State, a foreign government, a political subdivision of a foreign government, or an international governmental or quasi-governmental organization;
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(C) appears to be genuine, but is not;
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(A) name, social security number, date of birth, official State or government issued driver’s license or identification number, alien registration number, government passport number, employer or taxpayer identification number;
(B) unique biometric data, such as fingerprint, voice print, retina or iris image, or other unique physical representation;
(C) unique electronic identification number, address, or routing code; or
(D) telecommunication identifying information or access device (as defined in section 1029 (e));
(8) the term “personal identification card” means an identification document issued by a State or local government solely for the purpose of identification;
(9) the term “produce” includes alter, authenticate, or assemble;
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(B) to make or obtain control of with intent to so transport, transfer, or otherwise dispose of.
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(f) Attempt and Conspiracy.- Any person who attempts or conspires to commit any offense under this section shall be subject to the same penalties as those prescribed for the offense, the commission of which was the object of the attempt or conspiracy.
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(h) Forfeiture; Disposition.- In the circumstance in which any person is convicted of a violation of subsection (a), the court shall order, in addition to the penalty prescribed, the forfeiture and destruction or other disposition of all illicit authentication features, identification documents, document-making implements, or means of identification.
(i) Rule of Construction.- For purpose of subsection (a)(7), a single identification document or false identification document that contains 1 or more means of identification shall be construed to be 1 means of identification.


75 posted on 10/11/2006 3:38:07 AM PDT by azhenfud (an enigma between two parentheses)
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To: azhenfud
All more beareaucratic gobbledygook.

Do you think that someone building shelter is inherantly evil and should even more govt roadblocks be put up for those evil shelter builders, as you seem to want.

77 posted on 10/11/2006 3:40:19 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: hnj_00
translation: today president bush stated welcome to all new US citizens. everything is free for all of you...f'ck the american taxpayer!!!!

You really like to spout out the BS don't you.

78 posted on 10/11/2006 3:41:22 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: djf
I just find it sad that every time we hear about some proposal to help out with terrorism or immigration, it's OUR RIGHTS that go away. Not the illegals. Not Abdul from Turdistan. Bob Walker from someplace near Peoria now needs to get a microchip. And we don't need cameras at the border, but we sure gotta have them at the closest stop sign to make sure Bob comes to a full stop. Then, we'll all be safe. Yup.

Taking away the rights of a free people and becoming the all seeing eye in their lives makes it much easier to enslave us and consolidate us into their planned new MEGA Corporate Nation. The only thing Bush and the other leaders such as president of Mexico is doing now is arguing over who will be in charge of it. I can not take GW Bush seriously on Homeland Security as long as he insist on amnesty for illegals and refuses to secure our borders. I also disagree with his proposed databases on American Citizens. He does this {or his AG} in the name of Homeland Security when he turns blind eye to every other risk to our nation in the name of so called free trade.

79 posted on 10/11/2006 3:41:22 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: Dane

Do you think someone who crosses the border illegally automatically deserves citizenship?


80 posted on 10/11/2006 3:42:01 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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