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Men being men is a bad deal Guys should evolve beyond masculinity(3 bag barfer)
San Francisco Cronicle ^ | Sunday, October 8, 2006 | Robert Jensen

Posted on 10/08/2006 6:53:31 AM PDT by US Navy guy

It's hard to be a man; hard to live up to the demands that come with the dominant conception of masculinity, of the tough guy.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 3bagbarfer; idiotsinmedia; liberalism; lightontheloafers; masculinity; men; metrosexual; moonbat; newageguy; pansypickers; robertjensen; selfhater; sensitive; wuss
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Where to start on this one.
1 posted on 10/08/2006 6:53:32 AM PDT by US Navy guy
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To: US Navy guy

It would probably be easier if the author put the words to music. Since he's writing in a San Francisco paper, I'm sure there's some show tune he knows that would fit the situation perfectly.


2 posted on 10/08/2006 6:55:26 AM PDT by Bernard (Democrats are willing to defend terrorists' rights over your dead body.)
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To: US Navy guy

An article on manliness coming from the San Francisco Chronicle. It's like Jeffrey Dahmer publishing a cookbook.


4 posted on 10/08/2006 6:57:35 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: US Navy guy
"Robert Jensen is a professor of journalism at the University of Texas."

And 'light in the loafers'.

5 posted on 10/08/2006 6:57:43 AM PDT by Condor51 ("Alot" is NOT a word and doesn't mean "many". It is 'a lot', two separate words.)
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To: US Navy guy
No one man created this system, and perhaps none of us, if given a choice, would choose it. But we live our lives in that system, and it deforms men, narrowing our emotional range and depth. It keeps us from the rich connections with others

This is some twisted S*** you've found here. I had to stop reading at this point.I felt my 'emotional range' being narrowed...
:)
6 posted on 10/08/2006 6:58:47 AM PDT by kinoxi (.)
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To: Bernard; US Navy guy
It would probably be easier if the author put the words to music. Since he's writing in a San Francisco paper,

How about to the music of the Nutcracker Suite?

7 posted on 10/08/2006 6:58:52 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: US Navy guy

"Evolve beyond masculinity..." In other words, become a woman.



Do they do that kind of surgery here?


8 posted on 10/08/2006 6:59:52 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: US Navy guy
Where to start on this one.

With the author.

9 posted on 10/08/2006 7:00:24 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: IronJack

LOL!


10 posted on 10/08/2006 7:00:44 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: US Navy guy; Millee

You mean this is not a Millee thread????

I'm shocked!


11 posted on 10/08/2006 7:01:01 AM PDT by sauropod ("Work as if you were to live 100 Years, Pray as if you were to die To-morrow." - Ben Franklin)
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To: kinoxi

Gag. I read the first line and then the last paragraph:

"I don't think the planet can long survive if the current conception of masculinity endures. We face political and ecological challenges that can't be met with this old model of what it means to be a man. At the more intimate level, the stakes are just as high. For those of us who are biologically male, we have a simple choice: We men can settle for being men, or we can strive to be human beings. "


12 posted on 10/08/2006 7:01:21 AM PDT by stevestras
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To: stevestras

We men can settle for being men, or we can strive to be human beings. "


Ergo, men aren't human beings. Nice.


13 posted on 10/08/2006 7:02:40 AM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions-------and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: US Navy guy

"Of course, if we are going to jettison masculinity, we have to scrap femininity along with it."



Yeah, I'm sure that will go over well.


14 posted on 10/08/2006 7:02:59 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: stevestras
I didn't need that. My emotional range has already narrowed enough. I think I'll go cry now.

:)
15 posted on 10/08/2006 7:03:13 AM PDT by kinoxi (.)
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To: kinoxi
It keeps us from the rich connections with others

Some girly-men simply cannot grasp the emotional depth of the Three Stooges. Or taking a leak outside the tent during a hunting trip. Or drinking beer and eating a bunch of little smokies in BBQ sauce while watching a football game.

16 posted on 10/08/2006 7:03:42 AM PDT by dirtboy (Good fences make good neighbors)
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To: US Navy guy

Start here. Click on cutie-pie's picture.


17 posted on 10/08/2006 7:04:33 AM PDT by Fintan (One of these days, Alice...)
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To: US Navy guy

BIO/CV

Robert Jensen is an associate professor in the School of Journalism at the University of Texas at Austin.

Jensen joined the UT faculty in 1992 after completing his Ph.D. in media ethics and law in the School of Journalism and Mass Communication at the University of Minnesota. Prior to his academic career, he worked as a professional journalist for a decade. At UT, Jensen teaches courses in media law, ethics, and politics. He also is director of the Senior Fellows Program, the honors program of the College of Communication.

In his research, Jensen draws on a variety of critical approaches to media and power. Much of his work has focused on pornography and the radical feminist critique of sexuality and men's violence. In more recent work, he has addressed questions of race through a critique of white privilege and institutionalized racism.

In addition to teaching and research, Jensen writes for popular media, both alternative and mainstream. His opinion and analytic pieces on such subjects as foreign policy, politics, and race have appeared in papers around the country. He also is involved in a number of activist groups working against U.S. military and economic domination of the rest of the world.

Jensen is the author of The Heart of Whiteness: Confronting Race, Racism and White Privilege (City Lights, 2005); Citizens of the Empire: The Struggle to Claim Our Humanity (City Lights, 2004); and Writing Dissent: Taking Radical Ideas from the Margins to the Mainstream (Peter Lang, 2002); co-author with Gail Dines and Ann Russo of Pornography: The Production and Consumption of Inequality (Routledge, 1998); and co-editor with David S. Allen of Freeing the First Amendment: Critical Perspectives on Freedom of Expression (New York University Press, 1995).

 

Click here for Jensen's listing in the UT Experts Guide.

Click here for Jensen's complete curriculum vitae.

Click here for a recent interview, and an older interview with me from the Austin Chronicle.

Click here for a list of upcoming speaking engagements.

A Michael Moore wannabe.


18 posted on 10/08/2006 7:05:07 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: US Navy guy

I've lost even more respect for Jensen.

What a poofter.


19 posted on 10/08/2006 7:05:30 AM PDT by sauropod ("Work as if you were to live 100 Years, Pray as if you were to die To-morrow." - Ben Franklin)
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To: stevestras

Ignorant thinking from someone who sees the glass as half empty. Men do a lot of bad stuff in this world but also commit many noble and generous acts as well.


20 posted on 10/08/2006 7:05:49 AM PDT by misterrob (Bill Clinton, The Wizard of "Is")
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To: Brilliant

Sounds like the author stopped being a man a long time ago.


21 posted on 10/08/2006 7:06:31 AM PDT by YdontUleaveLibs
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To: US Navy guy
Straight men need to evolve beyond masculinity?

Gimme a break!

22 posted on 10/08/2006 7:06:48 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: US Navy guy
From the article:

Robert Jensen is a professor of journalism at the University of Texas.

'nuff said.

23 posted on 10/08/2006 7:07:07 AM PDT by magellan
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To: Fintan
First, a note about the rather complicated position from which I speak. I am a gay guy who has had a girlfriend. Or, maybe it’s more accurate to say that I’m a straight man who sometimes has been sexual with men, at one point closeted and later openly. Or maybe I’m bisexual. Or maybe I’m making it up as I go along. Because I have crossed lines often, maybe I have shaky standing to speak about gay male sexuality. Or because I cross lines, maybe my vantage point provides a valuable view. Readers can make their own decisions about how, or whether, to listen to me.

From an article he wrote.

24 posted on 10/08/2006 7:07:44 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: US Navy guy; hellinahandcart; Lil'freeper; big'ol_freeper
We need to get rid of the whole idea of masculinity. It's time to abandon the claim that there are certain psychological or social traits that inherently come with being biologically male. If we can get past that, we have a chance to create a better world for men and women.

And the lion and the lamb shall lay down together in harmony.

Why, we might be able to have Universal Health Care! Just think of the possibilities!

Brings a tear to my eye...

25 posted on 10/08/2006 7:08:17 AM PDT by sauropod ("Work as if you were to live 100 Years, Pray as if you were to die To-morrow." - Ben Franklin)
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To: US Navy guy
It's true that only women can bear children and breast-feed. That fact likely has some bearing on aspects of men's and women's personalities. But we don't know much about what the effect is, and given the limits of our tools to understand human behavior, it's possible we may never know much.

The author is a blithering idiot who displays the inevitable effects of the ongoing feminist "de-balling of the American Male" campaign. In case anyone hasn't noticed, the related campaign in Europe since the end of WWII has wreaked havoc on the masculinity of the European male population.

This garbage from a professor of journalism at UT? A fine example of what is wrong with our institutes of "higher learning", IMO.
26 posted on 10/08/2006 7:08:39 AM PDT by Pox (If it's a Coward you are searching for, you need look no further than the Democrats.)
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To: IronJack
> It's like Jeffrey Dahmer publishing a cookbook.

Or Ted Bundy publishing a book on dating etiquette.
27 posted on 10/08/2006 7:09:18 AM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen, SnowFlake, and Eeevil Doer.)
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To: US Navy guy
He needs to get out in the real world. Most people don't think too much of manlessness. IMO, this is just an excuse to avoid responsibilities.
28 posted on 10/08/2006 7:09:26 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: US Navy guy


29 posted on 10/08/2006 7:10:48 AM PDT by diverteach
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To: US Navy guy
"If masculinity is defined as conquest, it means that men will always struggle with each other for dominance."

Dear Butt-boy: It is called survival of the fittest. SO, since you ain't fit, you'll never survive to procreate (thankfully sparing us from another generation of panty-waist pandering).

We humans are derived from hundreds of thousands of generations of kill-or-be-killed dominators. Fact. Anything else is wishful thinking and or hallucination.

So get in touch with reality instead of your (allegedly) male member.
30 posted on 10/08/2006 7:11:00 AM PDT by roaddog727
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To: US Navy guy

Support Girly Men wusses! vote Democrat!

Republicans FIRE homosexuals (see Foley)


31 posted on 10/08/2006 7:13:04 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: US Navy guy
This liberal article is so insane, so completely unbelievable and idiotic beyond the limitations I would attribute to the left I can only suspect one thing behind it:

ROVE!


32 posted on 10/08/2006 7:13:10 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Brilliant

jettison my femininity?

Does this mean no more new shoes??

This man is an abomination! If he thinks I am giving up new shoes, hair color, gossiping, conniving and plain ole mean spiritedness, not to mention envy and manipulation,,,well he is a pervert


33 posted on 10/08/2006 7:14:30 AM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: saganite

My husband is the most wonderful human being I have ever met. And yes, he is very masculine. I don't want or need some girly man, that's why I have a real man.


34 posted on 10/08/2006 7:16:37 AM PDT by MissEdie (Liberalscostlives)
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To: US Navy guy

Rush should read this aloud in the "New Castrati" voice.


35 posted on 10/08/2006 7:18:29 AM PDT by magellan
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To: Bernard

Heh heh. One of the guys on my team just seems really homosexual. He's a nice guy and a hard worker but has this sort of "hitler youth" quality if you get my drift. Just a little "too clean". Anyway, he wears a wedding ring and he talks about his wife and stuff so I figured my radar isn't perfect.

At least, I THOUGHT he talked about his wife.

Friday we were talking about his moving here and the housing collapse going on here in Seattle and asked how long he had been married and he said, "Oh I'm not married. I have a partner. He works here in the legal dept.

Go figure...


36 posted on 10/08/2006 7:18:58 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: US Navy guy
I contend that the males on the Left have been feminized.

They have no idea what it means to be a man. Their focus on life is trying to be a non-masculine person as outlined by the feminist agenda. This is why their answer to societal problems is to acquiesce and attempt to seduce others into their way of thinking; or throw childish fits.

It's also why they admire people like Fidel and Hugo. They mistake the thuggish behavior of Leftist dictators as being true masculinity.

37 posted on 10/08/2006 7:19:47 AM PDT by Texas Jack
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To: Bernard

On a side note, immediately when I realized, the first thing I thought was, I wonder if his butt ever hurts.


38 posted on 10/08/2006 7:19:57 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: US Navy guy

"Of course, if we are going to jettison masculinity, we have to scrap femininity along with it."

There are plenty of gals who don't care about femininity, but I'm not into liberal hippys.


39 posted on 10/08/2006 7:20:36 AM PDT by samson1097
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To: raybbr
Because I have crossed lines often, maybe I have shaky standing to speak about gay male sexuality.

You CERTAINLY have "shaky standing" to speak about HETEROSEXUAL male sexuality!

Or because I cross lines, maybe my vantage point provides a valuable view.

Yes, as valuable as Sam Berkowitz's insights into canine discipline.

Readers can make their own decisions about how, or whether, to listen to me.

Huh? Were you saying something?

40 posted on 10/08/2006 7:20:55 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: US Navy guy
Where to start on this one."

Don't read it.

41 posted on 10/08/2006 7:21:16 AM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: US Navy guy

According to his website he's not just embarrassed about being a guy; he's all torn up about being white and American, too. Poor little thing.


42 posted on 10/08/2006 7:22:17 AM PDT by Fairview
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To: cajungirl

It's just now we have someone to gossip with, discuss styles and go shopping with. I can just see my husband in a salon. I persuaded him to go into Victoria's Secret with me one time. Never again.


43 posted on 10/08/2006 7:23:07 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: All

lISTENING to the radio today I heard a woman call in and whine like a baby because her husband wants to watch all the Bears games and doesn't want to go shopping with her.

I called in and asked "Are you incapable physically of going shopping by yourself? You enjoy shopping he enjoys football. Do you not have a car? If you don't perhaps before the game he can drop you off and pick you up afterwards"

They make fun of men because they bond over football. Well what's different from bonding over what women bond over?

AND FOR THE RECORD I AM A WOMAN (AND I LOVE FOOTBALL! Going to see the Bears in a few)


44 posted on 10/08/2006 7:23:27 AM PDT by ashamedtobefromparkridge
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To: US Navy guy
Based on the article, do you think the author folds his panties, or just throws them in the drawer?

I'm betting folds. 

45 posted on 10/08/2006 7:24:47 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: ashamedtobefromparkridge

Another for the record. Women whine about being football widows.

I say how about watch a game or two you might like it!

Or I say "Then go out and do something you enjoy during the game."

And for the record my husband is not a huge football fan but he will go to or watch the games with me.


46 posted on 10/08/2006 7:25:28 AM PDT by ashamedtobefromparkridge
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To: US Navy guy
Rarely am I at a loss for words. But this has to be the biggest pile of feminist crap I have ever seen.

I am going to the linen and things columbus day sale just to get my mind off this.
47 posted on 10/08/2006 7:25:34 AM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: US Navy guy

ROBERT JENSEN, professor of journalism at the University of Texas at Austin, spoke on Easter Sunday at Camp Casey II about his experience joining an Austin-area Presbyrterian church as an athiest, interviewing a “Jewish carpenter,” and the steps involved in changing the United States away from a capitalist-based economic system.




I wonder where that hickey came from
48 posted on 10/08/2006 7:26:43 AM PDT by grjr21
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To: US Navy guy

This article made me cry!

*sniff*

I need a hug and a peck on the neck . . .


49 posted on 10/08/2006 7:28:02 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: US Navy guy

How to respond? Here's a masculine concept from a Navy guy...

Responsibility

It is a unique concept.
It can only reside and inhere in a single individual.
You may share it with others, but your portion is not diminished.
You may delegate it, but it is still with you.
You may disclaim it, but you cannot divest yourself of it.
Even if you do not recognize it, or admit its presence, you cannot escape it.
If responsibility is rightfully yours, no evasion or ignorance or passing the blame can shift the burden to someone else.
Unless you can point your finger at the man who is responsible when something goes wrong, then you have never had anyone really responsible.
H. G. RICKOVER

It hung in the refueling briefing room.


50 posted on 10/08/2006 7:29:24 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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