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IM Conversations Can Linger for Years
newsday.com ^ | October 5, 2006 | ANICK JESDANUN

Posted on 10/06/2006 11:34:12 AM PDT by mjp

NEW YORK -- Instant-messaging conversations, though quick, aren't always fleeting.

Rep. Mark Foley's salacious chats with teenage pages emerged along with e-mails last week, as the Florida Republican abruptly resigned. ABC News, which broke the story, has said former pages were the source of the revelations about IMs from 2003.

Click here to find out more! Most likely, the pages who corresponded with Foley either manually saved messages or used IM software with built-in logging capabilities, allowing time-stamped chat sessions to be kept indefinitely on one's computer. The programs vary in whether the features are initially on or off and how well they notify users.

"Computers are really, really good at saving things, unlike a dumb telephone," said Richard M. Smith, an Internet security and privacy consultant at Boston Software Forensics. "If you don't want something to get out, don't put it in any computer form at all."

Chat programs from Yahoo Inc. and Microsoft Corp. are among those with logging capabilities. Microsoft's installs with the "off" button initially selected, while Yahoo's automatically records chats but clears them when a user signs off (users can choose to turn it off or record forever).

AOL Instant Messenger, the most popular IM service in the United States, doesn't offer logging in its current consumer versions but does in its business-oriented AIM Pro software. AOL's service also can be accessed by Trillian and other third-party software with built-in logging.

Computer-indexing programs such as Google Desktop also have options to retain chats on a personal computer. Some computers also may have keystroke-recording programs secretly installed by a boss or a spouse.

In some cases, the services themselves retain chats.

Google Inc. offers users the ability to store such conversations online, so they can be accessed just like e-mail.

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1 posted on 10/06/2006 11:34:13 AM PDT by mjp
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To: mjp

Okay, everyone. Brace yourselves for technical gobblety-gook by the media to try to confuse everyone on how Instant Messaging can be saved and/or stored. This is a smokescreen that will be used by the liberal media to hide the fact that someone broke the law by revealing private communications under existing wiretap laws.


2 posted on 10/06/2006 11:37:43 AM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: mjp

There isn't one of these programs that saves logs in a secure fashion. Meaning, they can easily be edited and changed to say whatever anyone wants. Dates/times can also be changed. This is true of any instant messenger log.


3 posted on 10/06/2006 11:38:40 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (All your Diebolds are belong to us)
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To: mjp

There isn't one of these programs that saves logs in a secure fashion. Meaning, they can easily be edited and changed to say whatever anyone wants. Dates/times can also be changed. This is true of any instant messenger log.


4 posted on 10/06/2006 11:38:40 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (All your Diebolds are belong to us)
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To: mjp
The following is an actual saved AIM conversation: Lolakana223 (1:09:28 PM): So, how's the weather there in DC?
Maf54 (1:10:32 PM): The weather here is very nice. Thank you for asking.
Lolakana223 (1:11:55 PM): So, do you remember the time that we were in my office with the cowboy outfits and the pudding?
Maf54 (1:20:48 PM): DO I? You bet! Good times...good times...
Lolakana223 (1:32:58 PM): Karl Rove made us do that.
Maf54 (1:41:22 PM): Look, Rove has that machine that controls everything. I can't help that.
Lolakana223 (1:41:38 PM): I wonder if his machine can manufacture IM chat logs.
Maf54 (1:43:28 PM): Nah, I think it's limited to mostly hurricanes.

5 posted on 10/06/2006 11:39:37 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (All your Diebolds are belong to us)
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To: mjp

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2778.txt


6 posted on 10/06/2006 11:39:40 AM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: mjp

Never write down what you can say.
Never say what you can nod.
Never nod what you can wink.
Never wink what you can smile.


7 posted on 10/06/2006 11:40:00 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Make that:
The Following is an actual instant messenger conversation saved from AIM on my computer:
Lolakana223 (1:09:28 PM): So, how's the weather there in DC?
Maf54 (1:10:32 PM): The weather here is very nice. Thank you for asking.
Lolakana223 (1:11:55 PM): So, do you remember the time that we were in my office with the cowboy outfits and the pudding?
Maf54 (1:20:48 PM): DO I? You bet! Good times...good times...
Lolakana223 (1:32:58 PM): Karl Rove made us do that.
Maf54 (1:41:22 PM): Look, Rove has that machine that controls everything. I can't help that.
Lolakana223 (1:41:38 PM): I wonder if his machine can manufacture IM chat logs.
Maf54 (1:43:28 PM): Nah, I think it's limited to mostly hurricanes.

8 posted on 10/06/2006 11:40:31 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (All your Diebolds are belong to us)
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To: mjp

I was pleasantly surprised to find Skype saves it all!

Sweetness and I used to chat over Skype all the time before we got married, and in light of this IM business, I checked: lo and behold it's all there, and I'm glad to have it.


9 posted on 10/06/2006 11:41:14 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

LOL!!


10 posted on 10/06/2006 11:41:15 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: mjp

Every single time I commit anything to writing, I imagine it getting into the hands of the one person in the world who has the motivation and means to make my world a living hell.

Even what I post on FR.

You will notice that nothing I ever admit to here is "under oath". ;)


11 posted on 10/06/2006 11:42:03 AM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: mjp
Time for EVERY member of Congress to make public all electronic corespondences between them and any pages.

Remember, it's for the children!!

12 posted on 10/06/2006 11:42:19 AM PDT by airborne (Show me your friends and I'll show you your future.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

That's funny right there, I don't care who y'are.


13 posted on 10/06/2006 11:44:10 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: mjp

The IMs and emails I want to see are the ones between the pages themselves. Everything else is BS.


14 posted on 10/06/2006 11:44:36 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Today we march, tomorrow we vote!" The illegal aliens won't be "staying home" on Nov. 7th.)
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To: Petronski

You should see the one I have with GWB when he was AWOL from the Texas ANG. :D


15 posted on 10/06/2006 11:45:50 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (All your Diebolds are belong to us)
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16 posted on 10/06/2006 11:46:37 AM PDT by RockinRight (She rocks my world, and I rock her world.)
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To: TommyDale
someone broke the law by revealing private communications under existing wiretap laws.

I don't see how you come to this conclusion. One of the parties of the conversation voluntarily gave up their privacy.

17 posted on 10/06/2006 11:48:02 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

And unless you save them with a different name that "log" it will be over-written in the next session. 3 years ago it took an effort to save this stuff.


18 posted on 10/06/2006 11:49:34 AM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Ah, but in some states, the law requires BOTH parties to agree. If you will recall in the Clinton/Lewinski affair, this was the very reason they brought charges against Linda Tripp.


19 posted on 10/06/2006 11:52:03 AM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: RobRoy

that was a great Seinfled epi when Geo had grapefruit juice in his eye, winked at everything causing Kramer to sell Pop Kastanzas cruising clothes and a guy at the Yankees to get fired ...


20 posted on 10/06/2006 11:53:44 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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