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1 posted on 10/02/2006 12:46:10 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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If we follow Mr. Harris's logic, technically we should not allow press freedoms for the electronic news media because "freedom of the press" referred to the print media available in the late 18th-century. Therefore, freedom of the press should be allowed only to those publications that are created by letters carved onto wood blocks which are then coated with ink and pressed onto paper.


2 posted on 10/02/2006 12:48:19 PM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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literal interpretations ARE not practical - when you're trying to weasel your way around it!


3 posted on 10/02/2006 12:49:29 PM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you)
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We hear the term "right to keep and bear arms" from the right as frequently as we hear "separation of church and state" from the left.

"right to keep and bear arms" is in the Constitution. "Separation of church and state" is not.

If we no longer need the 2nd Amendment, as the writer points out, amend the Constitution!
4 posted on 10/02/2006 12:50:10 PM PDT by sittnick (There is no salvation in politics.)
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the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The authors of the Constitution knew what they were talking about. If they meant the "right of the state" or the "right of the militia" to keep and bear arms they would have said so. The language clearly states that the people have that right.

6 posted on 10/02/2006 12:52:49 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Dems - Your conduct is an invitation to the enemy, yet few of you have heart enough to join them.)
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"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be Supreme Law of the land; and the Judges in every state shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

--United States Constitution, Article VI

We gettin' rid of that one too?

7 posted on 10/02/2006 12:57:38 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (Mark 5:9)
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See Robert Borks, The Tempting of America
9 posted on 10/02/2006 1:01:34 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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In the end, a literal interpretation of the Constitution and its amendments is not practical or desirable. Common sense and leadership must take precedence over party politics and ideological bickering.

The very purpose and existence of the Constitution is to ensure the laws of the land are to be followed literally. Changing such laws with out following the procedure to do so becomes a slippery slope resulting in an infinite number of interpretations. In the end there will be no Constitution. Our founding Fathers recognized circumstances may arise they could not foresee and would be necessary to amend the Constitution but must be done in a specific manner. That is the purpose of Article V. If you want to change the Constitution then do so in accordance with Article V.
11 posted on 10/02/2006 1:14:37 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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Literal interpretation of Constitution not practical

Else how could lawyers work their solemn and sophistical magic?

Definitely not 'practical', LOL!

12 posted on 10/02/2006 1:40:26 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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In the end, a literal interpretation of the Constitution and its amendments is not practical or desirable.

sure...and let's make the 10 commandments the 10 suggestions...
14 posted on 10/02/2006 1:42:13 PM PDT by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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Literal interpretation of Constitution not conducive to liberalism.


15 posted on 10/02/2006 1:42:54 PM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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Literal interpretation of Constitution not practical

The Constitution was indeed written by Brilliant and thoughtful men. These brilliant and thoughtful men wrote the Constitution in clear concise English grammar. This allowed the least among us to understand the meaning of the words. All written law is for the expressed purpose of a literal interpretation long after it is written.

The Constitution is not a “flexible” document. The amendment process allows the Constitution to forever reflect who we are and what we are and eliminated any necessity to re-interpret its meanings.

It does give me pause when I consider who these people are who reject the amendment process in favor of their own re-interpretation of the words. If the nation wants a separation of church and state or want the individual to no longer have the right to own a means of self-defense then amend the Constitution. Why do these people fear the words of the Constitution? These people scare me and I may not tolerate them much longer.

16 posted on 10/02/2006 1:45:56 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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"Literal interpretation" is a tricky phrase. There's always going to be some degree of "interpretation" involved in applying a document to new circumstances. Shouldn't that interpretation be as close to the actual words used as possible, though?

When you read "Congress shall make no law" do you really want to go through contortions to come up with a theory allowing Congress to make those laws?

17 posted on 10/02/2006 1:52:39 PM PDT by x
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Please see tagline.


18 posted on 10/02/2006 1:54:31 PM PDT by Constitution Day (Please do not emanate into the penumbra.)
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One of the historical contexts for the second amendment was that the common practice of monarchs and tyrants was to confiscate private firearms any time they were about to start cracking down on the population. The founding fathers knew this, had lived through this and wanted it made clear that this would not be allowed in the new nation.

I remember having a western civ class years ago and reading about various revolutions and uprisings. Every time it seemed that the governments first action was to outlaw and confiscate weapons from individuals. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why, nor why the founding fathers would want the second amendment just the way it is.


21 posted on 10/02/2006 3:58:27 PM PDT by azemt (Where are we going, and why are we in this basket?)
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"...to justify private ownership of an Uzi..."

My ownership of it is all the justification I need,
if anyone disagrees, let them come forward and remove it.
The same goes for cannon or crew served weapons,
now if I break my neighbors windows or kill his cow,
let the civil court sit in judgment, but till such a
time as an injury occurs, let all go in peace.
22 posted on 10/02/2006 4:41:12 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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Just another pseudo-intellectual toff seeking to get his nuts off telling everyone else what to think and how to think it. Worthless bum fodder.


23 posted on 10/02/2006 5:29:09 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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"They are equally wrong. The Founding Fathers did not have the luxury of, or the desire for, a standing army, so a well-regulated militia was necessary for the security of our young country. This is clearly and obviously no longer true, which severely impacts the relevance of the Second Amendment and is never mentioned by the pro-gun right."

Uhhh, no. Seeing as Scott Harris likes to use quotes of founding fathers, I will provide in kind:

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." -- George Washington

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson

"No free men shall be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -- Thomas Jefferson quotes Cesare Beccaria in Commonplace Book

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson

"The advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any...." -- James Madison in Federalist No. 48

"A government that does not trust it's law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is itself unworthy of trust." - James Madison

Note that they all refer to citizens, not members of militia.


25 posted on 10/03/2006 6:22:35 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.

Commerce Clause bump.

27 posted on 10/03/2006 8:08:19 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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What he really means is that he doesn't like the second amendment, but since there are to many voting gun lovers to get an amendment to the constitution passed eliminating it, he will just argue that the second amendment is not practical.

In other words, he would rather subvert the constitution then follow it.


28 posted on 10/03/2006 8:14:04 AM PDT by flipper999
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Bad 2nd Amendment history. This from the official U.S. Army history:

The militia issue was also central to the shaping of the Second Amendment to the Constitution: the right to keep and bear arms. If the founding fathers recognized the centrality of freedom of speech, the press, and assembly, they also made clear those freedoms would only remain secure if the people could keep and bear arms as an ultimate check on the power of the government. The Second Amendment has been much politicized since its adoption as part of the Bill of Rights, but there is no question that the architects of our government believed that the people in arms, the militia,were the final guarantors of our freedom. Any subsequent reinterpretations of that amendment must start with the fact that our leaders, fresh from their experiences in the Revolutionary War, relied on the militia as the centerpiece of our national military establishment. The concept of the militia and the right to bear arms are inextricably joined.

In other words, the militia is not just a national guard, but "the people in arms" as "the final guarantor" of our freedoms. Plus, the Constitution elsewhere grants Congress the right to raise a standing army, which, although small, existed at the adoption of the Constitution, along with a Department of War (the Army) to run it.

The Framers understood the 2nd Amendment as at the same time an individual and a group right.

39 posted on 10/03/2006 12:16:07 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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