This Is What Waterboarding Looks Like - by David Corn. (photos)

davidcorn. ^ | 9 2006 | david corn

[LibLieSlayer]

I heard the lipless corn and his boyfriend have used water boarding as a sexual tool for years! ;-)

LLS

[dennisw]

No problem. The photos are helpful ...David Corn's editorializing is useless

[KarlInOhio]

they're also designed specifically to generate a (usually false) confession, not to obtain genuinely actionable intel. This isn't a matter of sacrificing moral values to keep us safe; it's sacrificing moral values for no purpose whatsoever.

If we had been using waterboarding to get fake confessions instead of good intel then our intelligence services would be pretty damn stupid. Corn seems to be confusing the method with the purpose. You could use this method for actionable intelligence, fake confessions or just because you like doing it. If you are doing one of the last two you are just wasting time.

I also seriously believe that if the CIA were to come up with the ultimate truth serum - no side effects, no way to fake results and the person being questioned is awake and lucid instead of drowsy and confused - the Dems would be against using it if it helped President Bush win the war. Their hatred for the President seems to far outweigh any love for their country they might have.

[RandallFlagg]

Pul-LEASE!
It's probably the cleanest these bums have been in decades!

I'd have preferred their using a 200PSI firefighting nozzle, but that's just me.

[LiberalBassTurds]

They'd have to waterboard Corn face-down since he talks out of his anus.

LBT
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[martin_fierro]

This is what Islamic Terrorist treatment of their prisoners looks like.

This is what a Weekend with Teddy looks like.

[IronJack]

If the intel being gathered by these techniques is of dubious value, then we certainly should reconsider our methods. But I have no moral misgivings whatsoever about extracting information from the vermin we capture. These are the same creatures that plant roadside bombs, behead people, drag burnt corpses through the streets, and fly airplanes into office buildings.

It's hard to find much sympathy for their feigned umbrage at our moral "lapses."

[edpc]

Actually, it looks kind of fun......

[Paleo Conservative]

They're doing it wrong. They should be using a fire hose.

[appeal2]

Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing about weight when I heard they get 4000 calories a day at Gitmo for Ramadan. Seems like we are going to have a detainee obesity problem. I think the strategy is to fatten up the terrorists and render them harmless. Something we Americans are very good at, fattening up the enemy.

[hegemony]

Seems to me an efficient method of taking care of business (as read below.) But Corn leaves this information out conveniently. Also note- he's turned off the comments on that article, feigning server problems. uh huh.

I always love it when the libs try to play the moral relativity game where they leave out the part about why interrogations take place. Saving lives apparently is not moral, taking care of the psyche of murderers is much more important. Maybe they ought to bring in Dr. Phil to deal with these terrorists. Yeah, that ought to do it. /s

"According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last over two minutes before begging to confess."

[the anti-mahdi]

Best used with pig urine rather than water for maximum effect...

[LibLieSlayer]

President Bush said it worked on the 14 most hardened terrorists such as khalid shek mohamed. Nothing else tried had worked. It prevented 8 al qaeda attacks within our borders. Is that good enough for you?

LLS

[okie01]

To paraphrase, the Geneva convention is not a suicide pact. Name one enemy of the US that has abided by it.

The Germans in WWII. There were some exceptions, to be sure -- the Battle of the Bulge incident and, on occasion, the Waffen SS. But, for the most part, the Germans scrupulously followed the Conventions with their US, British and Dominion prisoners.

Neither side followed the Geneva Convention on the Eastern Front, of course. But I don't believe the Soviets were signatories.

[montag813]

The prison is now a museum that documents Khymer Rouge atrocities.

We don't commit atrocities, Corn, you traitorous scumbag.

[VOA]

They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the
admiration of interrogators when he was able to last over two minutes
before begging to confess."

(a repeat posting of one of my cruel musings)
I won't be terribly bothered if the interrogation tapes eventually reveal
upon declassification, 2 minutes of KSM clearly crying
"STOP FOR THE LOVE OF ALLAH! I'LL TELL YOU EVERYTHING!"
interspersed with the operative slowly (in a Ben Stein drawl) saying
"What's that? You'll have to repeat that because I couldn't hear you
through the gurgling."

[IronJack]

It prevented 8 al qaeda attacks within our borders. Is that good enough for you?

Can you read? I said IF the intel was dubious ... If what you're relating is true (and you have no way of knowing that it is except by believing George Bush), then the intel obviously was NOT dubious.

I also said that I have no moral qualms about pursuing this technique. My sole concern was the value of the information being produced.

[Night Hides Not]

The liberal definition of torture is any effective interrogation method we use. If we do sleep deprivation thats torture

Playing Lynryd Skynyrd loudly is also considered torture, as my kids will testify.

[ApplegateRanch]

Bottom line: Not only do waterboarding and the other types of torture currently being debated put us in company with the most vile regimes of the past half-century; they're also designed specifically to generate a (usually false) confession, not to obtain genuinely actionable intel.

Bottom line: Not only do newpapers, television and the other types of mass communications currently being inflicted on the public put us in company with the most vile regimes of the past half-century; they're also designed specifically to generate a (usually false) impression, not to diseminate genuinely intelligent, factual information.

[kcvl]

I think David Corn should demonstrate it for us. He probably doesn't care that our military Pilots go through the same thing. What would a wuss like David know about that?!