Mexican Military Conducting Overflights of Oaxaca City--Prelude to Armed Intevention? (Translation)

Yes, it is totally relevant to the US, being a potential revolution about to break out down there, if not handled right. Please do keep it in breaking news.

21 posted on 09/30/2006 8:00:15 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)

News Summary for September 29th

Felipe Calderón sent all political parties his proposal regarding legislative issues. The document highlights a list of priorities: law and public security, a competitive economy, job generation, sustainable development, an effective democracy and a responsible foreign policy.

The PRD received the proposal from Calderón, but Leonel Cota, the PRD´s national leader, said they maintain their position of not talking with the federal government or with the president elect.

A group of PRD members headed by Gerardo Fernández Noroña, a PRD spokesman, tried to close off Felipe Calderon´s transition headquarters in a ¨symbolic way¨ --an action that was impeded by members of the Estado Mayor Presidencial and the Federal Preventive Police.

The Senate declared itself in permanent session in order to prioritize the negotiations of legislative commissions. In this way, the Junta of Political Coordination will inform the Mesa Directiva the moment it has reached a decision to renew the session.

Javier Gonzalez Garza, the coordinator of the PRD and Leonel Cota, the PRD national leader denounced the PRI as blackmailing the PAN with not assisting Felipe Calderon´s official inauguration –if the PRI does not give the PAN the commissions it wants.

In response to this, Emilio Gamboa, the coordinator of the PRI in San Lazaro, said that the only thing that is on the negotiation table is the issue of commissions, that that they are not negotiating anything else.

The 22nd Section of the Union of Teachers and the Popular Assembly of the People of Oaxaca rejected the Ministry of the Interior´s call for dialogue in order to renew negotiations on Friday.

The economic and commercial strike went ahead in Oaxaca without much success. Public transport, as well as banks and supermarkets operated as usual, the same as small stores and markets.

Miguel Ángel Yunes, the executive secretary of the National System of Public Security, said that Mexico has a lame national security system and he lamented the fact that the coordination between the different levels of government are impeding the country from winning the fight against organized crime.

The cleaning of the Mexico-Toluca highway was concluded –parts of it were affected by the avalanche that happened last Sunday. The demolition of six 2 meter rocks was the last step in the process to free up the highway, although it will remain closed to circulation until the authorities determine it is safe again.

http://mexicotoday.blogspot.com/

22 posted on 09/30/2006 8:00:49 PM PDT by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigshit be upon him))

To: BunnySlippers

I Love this name Flavio Sosa

I Will Decree theat my Wife calls me this fron now on.

23 posted on 09/30/2006 8:03:04 PM PDT by cmsgop ( President Mahmud Ahmadinejad Must Purify Himself in The Waters of Lake Minnetonka)

To: BunnySlippers

I must say this issue is central to Americans in the War on Terror. I cannot imagine why it would be placed in Bloggers & Personal.

Agreed.

24 posted on 09/30/2006 8:05:23 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)

25 posted on 09/30/2006 8:13:47 PM PDT by rogator

BFLR; thank you StJacques for the excellent translation.

26 posted on 09/30/2006 8:36:58 PM PDT by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)

"They are genuine news articles up on the web whose content has been translated for an English-speaking audience."

Indeed. I don't know why in the world these threads would be relegated to the personal & blogger section. These threads defintely belong in breaking news. What is happening in Mexio now could have far-reaching and profound impact on the US. We need to be better informed on these developments.

27 posted on 09/30/2006 8:44:00 PM PDT by JCEccles ("Islam. No religion demands more of others and less of itself.")

To: StJacques; JennieOsborne; politicallyincarrect; /\XABN584; 3D-JOY; 5Madman; <1/1,000,000th%; ...

Thank you for your hard work on translating... You are truley a FR asset.. I was disapointed that one of the FR Mods decided to move this in the Blog section... this is very relevent news, and deserves wide dissimination as many of us FReepers are following the situation in Mexico closely.. I see now that it has been moved to Front Page... keep up the good work.. and Please keep me on your ping list so I don't miss any of your relevent posts... I am pinging my list to this thread as well.

28 posted on 09/30/2006 9:07:15 PM PDT by davidosborne (DavidOsborne.net)

TANKS for the Breakin' News BUMP.;0)

29 posted on 09/30/2006 9:22:48 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)

To: davidosborne

Thank you for the kind words david. I appreciate them very much.

30 posted on 09/30/2006 9:26:10 PM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)

We have communism attempting to take over Mexico.

I would think the ONLY way it could succeed is with the cooperation of the drug cartels.

With the new laws that make it illegal to tunnel and the 700 more miles of fence, we are going to make it a bit more tough or inconvenient to come here.
With less making it here, Mexico will be under more economic pressure within as well.

All this will spur more unrest in Mexico, but IMO they need to grow up at some point.

31 posted on 09/30/2006 9:28:48 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)

There's beautiful, and then there's being realistic, practical, honest, and unselfish. If these people think they're entitled to overturn an election, the government should do what is necessary to set them straight.

32 posted on 09/30/2006 9:47:13 PM PDT by dr_who_2

"I would think the ONLY way it could succeed is with the cooperation of the drug cartels."

I seem to recall you've raised the issue of the drug cartels and the current level of political unrest in Mexico before and my usual response has been that they're more interested in local than national politics. I want to amend my earlier comments now to say that it is becoming clear to me that there is a major drug cartel influence at work within the Mexican left. Allow me to explain, and I'll just be working off the top of my head. Normally, I would be providing a lot of links here, but I'm just going to ask you to trust me on what I relate.

As the Mexican post-election controversy has wound down a bit, I have begun visiting a few other Latin American news web sites I visited only on rare occasions in the past. Included among these are El Universal (Caracas), El Heraldo (Caracas), El Espectador (Bogota), El Mercurio (Santiago, Chile), El Mundo (Santa Cruz, Bolivia), La Patria (Manizales, Colombia), El Comercio (Lima) and a couple of others (I've got a bookmark folder for all of these as you might guess). And what I've been picking up in their discussion of drugs is that the Mexican drug cartels are driving the narcotics trafficking industry in South America outright. They've commented on the FARC in Colombia making contacts with the Mexican drug cartels (something I have pointed out), they see Mexican Mafiosos (their exact word) active in Peru and Bolivia organizing armed resistance to coca eradication campaigns, they describe the distribution system as primarily running directly to Guatemala to provide overland access into Mexico across an almost completely unguarded frontier, and they are discussing the drug violence now occurring within Mexico almost as much as the Mexican news media itself is doing, but curiously enough, with much more analysis of what's going on behind the news of Mexican drug violence than I find in the news in Mexico. Make no mistake about it, from the South American perspective -- and I should say I don't see this in Venezuelan newspaper articles -- the fight that is going on in Mexico is for control of the coca and opium traffic coming out of South America. They can name specific gangs -- the Colombian, Peruvian, and Chilean media are very good at this -- and just where they operate; they can relate these gangs to current activity in Latin America by city and region; they quote the U.S. DEA and CIA reports on drug trafficking organizations more so than American news media outlets do, and they relate their associations within Mexico as well.

From the South American perspective, part of the dissolution of order in the far south of Mexico is both created by the Mexican drug cartels in their own interests and it is also helping to create a new power alignment within the drug cartels, specifically that the import routes are becoming less and less reliant upon boats moving up the Pacific Coast and more and more across the Guatemalan highlands. This is presenting Mexico with an internal realignment in which the Sinaloan and Baja California cartels are either getting pushed aside by new operations controlling the import into southern Mexico, or they're being forced to negotiate new arrangements cutting these new operations in for a piece of the pie. And the result is exactly what you'd expect -- chaos. The incredibly high murder rates in the drug trade we've been seeing in the news from Mexico recently are practically being predicted by the South American press. It's all perfectly understandable to them.

I've only learned a lot of this information over the past month and a half or so -- to be honest I'm still learning more every week -- so I cannot present myself as having complete expert knowledge on the matter. But I know how to recognize a sensible argument and I must say that the South American news media is making very good sense of the recent violence in Mexico to a far greater degree than anyone in Mexico -- I wonder if the Mexican news media fears for their lives if they name names? -- or in the U.S. for that matter. And the political element? That's easy. With the FARC in the mix having direct contacts with Lopez Obrador's PRD (thanks to former Venezuelan Ambassador Vladimir Villegas) and the Guatemalan border providing access into PRD-controlled Chiapas and Tabasco, it's not hard to do the extrapolation.

The Mexican drug cartels are no longer able to count upon the PRI as they used to do. The PRD is fast becoming the only game in town. The PAN has allied itself with the U.S. drug enforcement efforts, so they're out of the picture. And it's going to take a while for these alignments to fall into place, so expect more violence.

This pretty much represents a summary of what I've been reading CA Guy. It's a little different take than I've given you in the past, but that is a reflection of my utilization of new, and I would argue very relevant, source material.

33 posted on 09/30/2006 10:20:15 PM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)

Mexico has a lot of local theifdoms.

They have some of the richest people in the world and with known haciendas of cartels located only a mile off our border with Mexico, you have to know there has to be major drug cartel influence with the government or the Mexicans would go get some tanks and blow some of these haciendas off the map StJ.

It's a hell hole and I last went there 2 years ago to just look around. I felt so uncomfortable with the feeling there that I will never go again.

The drug cartels want communist types in there because they are still basically run by dictators who have aggressive militarys and would afford them even more protection in Mexico then they have now IMO.

34 posted on 09/30/2006 10:32:42 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)

"The drug cartels want communist types in there because they are still basically run by dictators who have aggressive militarys and would afford them even more protection in Mexico then they have now IMO"

If you replace the word "Mexico" with "Venezuela" I think you would have an almost verbatim quote from one of Hugo Chavez's opponent Manuel Rosales's speeches. That's almost exactly what he is saying right now in Venezuela's election campaign.

35 posted on 09/30/2006 10:53:41 PM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)

36 posted on 09/30/2006 11:51:08 PM PDT by little jeremiah

To: davidosborne

37 posted on 10/01/2006 3:02:19 AM PDT by E.G.C.

Sunday am, got a phone call, friends, sending children up farther north in Mexico City area, as they will all loose their academic school year because of the teachers strike. There exists several problems in Oaxaca, the teachers have gone on strike, every year for the past 26 years. For things like SHOES for the kids, or free lunches. Nothing new here. Many teachers are actually political activist or agitators that get paid by the STATE to go to elementary rural districts and be role models to advocate COLLECTIVISM. Believe me, when I say the most favorite icon high and center photo in most elementary schools in Oaxaca is NOT, Benito Juarez, Miguel Hidalgo, Pope Benedicto, President Fox...but it is CHE GUEVARA. Their newly governor got in bed with the local evangelicals promising he was saved and accepting the straight and narrow. After he was elected, like everyone else, cronyism and ineptitude reigned as he put in people who all wanted personal favors that brought in graft. Reap and then SOW.

38 posted on 10/01/2006 4:48:00 AM PDT by rovenstinez

39 posted on 10/01/2006 5:03:26 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin

I would have an interest in knowing more about the PRD-PAN Convergencia and how the natl election will effect that in the future.

40 posted on 10/01/2006 5:08:45 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin

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