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Air Force Jet Wins Battle in Congress(More F-22's)
NY Times ^

Posted on 09/29/2006 8:41:29 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME

The F-22 Raptor fighter jet, the United States Air Force’s most expensive weapon, is designed for global air dominance. But its biggest battles have not been in the skies, but in the corridors of power in Washington, where it has just taken on Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Washington budget-cutters — and won. But their efforts were rebuffed this week by the powerful F-22 lobby, a combination of the Air Force, Lockheed Martin, which makes the fighter jet, and their allies in Congress. The Senate is scheduled to vote this week on the $447 billion Pentagon budget for 2007, which contains a measure promoted by backers of the F-22 that could extend the jet’s production run beyond its 2011 termination date and reduce Congressional oversight of the program. The measure could open the door to additional F-22 purchases above the 183 budgeted by the administration and could extend the life of the program a few years by using a multiyear procurement contract rather than subjecting the F-22 to annual Congressional review. The Air Force thus far has taken possession of 74 F-22’s, which are being sent to bases across the country. The plane has not been used in combat yet. Six more are in production. Critics say the F-22 represents technological overkill at a time when United States air superiority is unquestioned and the nature of warfare has changed. It was originally designed for aerial combat against the Soviets. Still, even these critics concede that the plane is an engineering marvel, a Maserati of the skies. It can fly at 60,000 feet, twice as high as any other plane. Its cruising speed is Mach 2 and its top speed is a Pentagon secret. And its radar-eluding stealth technology allows it to fly at supersonic speeds — invisibly.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Technical
KEYWORDS: f22; raptors
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Yes I hate the NY times but this was an interesting read about the F-22. Sounds like good news. Thanks Senator Chambliss.We needs these.
1 posted on 09/29/2006 8:41:30 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: MARKUSPRIME

The Raptors make me drool.


2 posted on 09/29/2006 8:43:43 AM PDT by wastedyears (Give me Liberty or give me DEATH)
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To: wastedyears
"The Raptors make me drool."

They make me feel warm and fuzzy.

3 posted on 09/29/2006 8:46:03 AM PDT by lormand (1 - 10,000,000 people read my posts everyday)
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To: wastedyears

Man, if they could make a non-stealth unarmed courier ... or even something that an executive to ride passenger on a joyride at 60K feet .... they could probably get some upper atmoshpere tourism going.


4 posted on 09/29/2006 8:46:50 AM PDT by Centurion2000 ("Be polite and courteous, but have a plan to KILL everybody you meet.")
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To: MARKUSPRIME
The F-22 Raptor fighter jet, the United States Air Force’s most expensive weapon

Guess this idiot hasn't seen the price tag for a B-2.

5 posted on 09/29/2006 8:47:12 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: wastedyears
I'm going to an air show in a couple of weeks where the F-22 is supposed to be performing.

I can't WAIT to see this baby!

6 posted on 09/29/2006 8:47:19 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Please do not emanate into the penumbra.)
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To: MARKUSPRIME
"It can fly at 60,000 feet, twice as high as any other plane."

Wow, someone needs to proofread these things....

7 posted on 09/29/2006 8:47:59 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: MARKUSPRIME
Will we hear anything about budget busting Republicans? I doubt it. Here in DFW the F-22 is a good thing for jobs and prestige, but the question of who are we fighting and how many do we need is not rhetoric. If we like Rumsfeld for re-engineering the Pentagon, then we like him for cost cutting. He is not doing it to reduce the size of the military but to put money into people - isn't that a good thing?
8 posted on 09/29/2006 8:48:16 AM PDT by q_an_a
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To: MARKUSPRIME
It can fly at 60,000 feet, twice as high as any other plane

I'm pretty sure the F14, F16, F18 and even a 777 can fly higher than 30,000 feet. I am glad to hear we're buying more though!

9 posted on 09/29/2006 8:50:03 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Abathar
It can fly at 60,000 feet, twice as high as any other plane.

Kinda puts the rest of the article in the "might be true" category.

10 posted on 09/29/2006 8:51:53 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Constitution Day
I hear them taking off from the plant all the time but rarely get to see one. I'm jealous!
11 posted on 09/29/2006 8:52:07 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: q_an_a

We need to still think strategically. We wont be in Iraq forever, and our future enemies will probably be communist china or even a belligerent russia,or maybe even a china/russian/iran alliance against us. We see these nations forming alliances against us now and we need to stay vigilant.
Our legacy aircraft do a fine job and will be around for many years, but we have to keep our edge over other militaries. We need the F-22.


12 posted on 09/29/2006 8:53:52 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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"Critics say the F-22 represents technological overkill "
WHATTTT??????? Who are these blithering idiots anyway? Why are they never named? Is it because such stupidity being uttered is just embarassing to them? How does one expect to maintain air superiority with 20 year old technology and aircraft. Constant upgrading is the only way to go, and the F-22 is the way to go...
13 posted on 09/29/2006 8:55:46 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Israel, taking out the world's trash since 1948.)
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To: MARKUSPRIME
Concern: China and a reStalinized Russia.

Having said that, you can buy a lot of other hardware and training with the money that just one of these airplanes will cost over its entire life cycle.

But, we cannot have it all, especially when we have to float our national debt in the international financial markets so China can bid on it. China has already started to say, enough. We must never put our country in a position that we depend on a potential enemy to fund our warfare-welfare State.
14 posted on 09/29/2006 9:08:33 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: MARKUSPRIME
I've met and spoke to the chief test pilot of this craft. Let's just say after speaking with him and pilot's who were in "chase planes" this sucker is worth every penny.
15 posted on 09/29/2006 9:09:45 AM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: q_an_a

The fact that we currently have know enemy that would require such a advanced weapon, is in fact irrelevant. In the future we will have an adversary with the capability to test us. We need to make sure there test's are failures.

The argument has been made that we may not need very many currently, that is a good argument, and one that has been taken to heart, with a reduced purchase plan of only 182.

That seems reasonable for an aircraft that is so superior to anything in the skies that it will achieve air dominace just by taking off. I've seen reports that it is so superior that it has never lost in a combat exercise in a 10 on 1 situation. The enemy will simply not take off for fear of getting shot down, like the Iraqi's during the first gulf war, where they ran for Iran.

Fighter aircraft are destined to get much cheaper in the future, because the technology has already out stripted the human stress threshold. The F-22 is fly by wire, partly because the computer in-between the pilot and the control surfaces will not let the pilot make extreame changes in direction because the pilot could literaly die from the capabilites of the aircraft used to it's fullist.

Future fighters will not have a pilot inside the aircraft but may still be flown by remote and computer control.

This alone will reduce the cost of the aircraft because a large percentage of the cost of manufacture and design is the human pilots safety.

To have an aircraft that is superior and puts no pilot at risk it seem to me is the holy grail of air combat.

Our children who play flight sym's may very well be our next aces.


16 posted on 09/29/2006 9:13:35 AM PDT by qman
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To: Constitution Day

I would love to see one! Enjoy the show.

I'm on the Left Coast so I'll have to check the air show schedules out here.


17 posted on 09/29/2006 9:15:13 AM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Lx

Darn near everything can break 30k ft. The first Jet fighter the US had, the P-80 cound break 46,000.


18 posted on 09/29/2006 9:15:47 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: USNBandit

..........yup; that's why it is called the "B-2" -
cots $2 billion per copy.....
what is it that the late Senator Everett Dirkson
said...? A billion here, and a billion there, and
pretty soon you're talking about real money.......


19 posted on 09/29/2006 9:27:34 AM PDT by Thunderchief F-105
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To: Abathar; Paleo Conservative; aculeus; Billthedrill; Senator Bedfellow
“It can fly at 60,000 feet, twice as high as any other plane.”

New York Times Amazing Fact of the Week.

20 posted on 09/29/2006 9:27:40 AM PDT by dighton
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