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Political scientist says he never heard Allen use racial slur (and deer head story falling apart)
Daily Press ^ | 9/26/06 | BOB LEWIS

Posted on 09/26/2006 7:18:39 PM PDT by freespirited

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To: Izzy Dunne

Nope, there really is a Bumpass, Va.

Laughed the first time I saw it.


61 posted on 09/26/2006 8:42:36 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Dog Gone

Sounds kind of like Dan Rather???


62 posted on 09/26/2006 8:42:44 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: freespirited

Make up anything. The Press will report it.......IF it hurts Republicans.


63 posted on 09/26/2006 8:47:00 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army vet, Army dad)
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To: mylife

"Are you not happy with Mr Allens voting record?"

I am not happy with the man himself. Maybe he no longer utters the "N" word (and, yes, I do believe he used to do so... who makes that stuff up if there is NO TRUTH to it...i don't believe there would be ANY such talk if there was absolutely no truth to it) or displays a confederate flag or noose in his office, but he most recently did make remarks that I deem unacceptable in the whole "macaca" incident. He acted as a bully and a hick. I saw the video myself. This behavior coupled with revelations of his past actions make me question whether he has in fact "outgrown" his "youthful beliefs."

I'm not pretending to be someone I'm not. I've not been wasting my time on this board for the past eight years for this very moment to "attack" George Allen.


64 posted on 09/26/2006 8:55:14 PM PDT by Ganymede
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To: Ganymede

You have a thin skin.
Allen has uttered nothing of a rascist nature


65 posted on 09/26/2006 9:08:22 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: ConservativeGreek
My have toilet papered a teacher's front yard?

Yu have?

66 posted on 09/26/2006 9:10:37 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Ganymede
who makes that stuff up if there is NO TRUTH to it

The Dems thats who

Why did no one challenge Allen on the Creeeapp when he ran for govornor or Senate before? you know...back when it was fresh on folks minds?

This stinks to high Heaven

67 posted on 09/26/2006 9:11:43 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Ganymede

I gotta hit the hay.
Goodnight Gany


68 posted on 09/26/2006 9:13:33 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: mylife

Sure, many blacks are accused of having "thin skins" when it comes to race matters. Not completely without good reason in my opinion. In any event, I readily admit that I have a low tolerance for questionably "racially insensitive" rhetoric/actions. You don't hear of Black Republicans often. After "battling" on this site for the past several years (99% of the time on "race matters"), I can understand why. It's tiring.


69 posted on 09/26/2006 9:17:41 PM PDT by Ganymede
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To: mylife

Nite!


70 posted on 09/26/2006 9:18:32 PM PDT by Ganymede
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To: Ganymede
(and, yes, I do believe he used to do so... who makes that stuff up if there is NO TRUTH to it...i don't believe there would be ANY such talk if there was absolutely no truth to it)

What are you? 12? Any adult with a semblance of life experience knows that this type of stuff happens all of the time - especially in politics. "Everyone's talking about it, so there must be some truth in it." What an infantile argument.

71 posted on 09/26/2006 9:19:12 PM PDT by PackerBronco
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To: Dog Gone

Same Shiite, different election.


72 posted on 09/26/2006 9:19:35 PM PDT by dirtboy (This tagline has been photoshopped)
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To: Ganymede

We all bear our own perceptions.

I wish I could make you believe that racism is all but dead in this country.

People come from all over the world to get in on the raw deal that is called America.

Rest wel FRiend


73 posted on 09/26/2006 9:21:02 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Ganymede
I've not been wasting my time on this board for the past eight years ....

Yes you have, IMO, of course.

74 posted on 09/26/2006 9:31:53 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Ganymede

Special Report is running interviews with teammates who are denying any such comments by Allen.

Well, lets see, who would say stuff that isn't true?

One person spreading these lies is Doug Thompson, who wrote in the rag paper Capital Hill Blue's.

But the day before he came "out" with his revelation about Allen using the n-word, he posted to a different blog about meeting with Steve Jarding. He even posted a picture.

Steve Jarding is the Webb Campaign Spokesperson.

http://www.blueridgemuse.com/muse2/

Is it just coincidence that a man who is friends with Jarding, the Webb campaign spokesperson, meets with him on the 24th, which is the day before the Salon article was made public, and had a column the next day which pushed the n-word story.


Or maybe you can explain this: Shelton is supposed to be an "independent" source of information. But when Fox tried to interview him, his WIFE said that "they told him not to talk to fox". As they ask, who is "they"?

Certainly not the paper Salon, who had his story, or the Washington Post who had him on their radio today.

So who is the "they" he has been talking to to coordinate his campaign appearances, and why are they afraid of him talking to a news outlet that might ask him some hard questions?

Taylor was debunked by Allen's EX-WIFE, who certainly isn't going out of her way to help him, but knew that it wasn't blacks who ate the turtles, it was their neighbor.

Larry Sabato, who on Hardball said he "knew" Allen said the n-word, now says it was two people he talked to from UVA at the time that he believed. Sabato worked for democrats out of college, btw. And who were the two people he talked to?

Shelton and Taylor.

In other words, Larry has no extra information at this time, he's just giving his opinion about the two we already know about.


In any case, who cares about 30 years ago. What is the man like today? You say he's a racist, but you are flat-out wrong. People who KNOW him, and would know if he was racist, deny it vehemently. Political adversaries have vouched for him. Today two black ministers called the attacks on Allen a dispicable smear, a calculated attack.

So you were not deceived by Allen, but by the leftwing media .


75 posted on 09/26/2006 9:33:18 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Corin Stormhands

Thanks for the ping. Enjoyed the blog, too.


76 posted on 09/26/2006 10:13:27 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

"In any case, who cares about 30 years ago. What is the man like today? You say he's a racist, but you are flat-out wrong. People who KNOW him, and would know if he was racist, deny it vehemently. Political adversaries have vouched for him. Today two black ministers called the attacks on Allen a dispicable smear, a calculated attack."

Okay, I should not have used such strong rhetoric. I have no evidence that George Allen is a present-day racist. At best, he's just racially insensitive b/c of the "macaca"/"welcome to America" incident. When that event occured, I suspected that he must have held some latent racist beliefs. It's not everyday that I hear a dark-skinned person referred to as a monkey. To me, that has pretty clear racial overtones. That coupled with stories of his fondness for the confederate flag and display of a noose in his office (not good things in the view of many blacks) made me think that he was someone I could not continue to support. Then the latest stories from his former teammate...it all adds up to paint a rather unattractive picture. Maybe Dem operatives are setting him up with regard to the former teammate angle, but leaving that out of the equation, he seems, like I said, at best, "insensitive." That may sound PC, but I care about how my elected representatives regard minorities.

I'll re-review what is known about the totality of the man and vote accordingly.


77 posted on 09/26/2006 10:20:38 PM PDT by Ganymede
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Well, by just the sheer amount of hours I have spent on this site, I agree that I have wasted a lot of time and engery. Yet I still enjoy coming here every day. I try to avoid threads that I know will be contentious, but sometimes I just can't help it...


78 posted on 09/26/2006 10:25:42 PM PDT by Ganymede
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To: CharlesWayneCT

LOL, there is no reasoning with our Oprah nation of all victims, all the time.

Feelings rule, which is why this we will cease to be great.


79 posted on 09/26/2006 10:38:33 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: freespirited; Corin Stormhands; SDGOP; Dems_R_Losers; AmishDude

You know what amazes me is that as soon as these stories first started popping up, so called conservatives all over the blogosphere were sticking the fork in allen. A lot of the usual suspects who pump the other candidates were comparing allen's 'racism' to bill clintons 'bimbogate' eruptions. Of course within a few days it was shown that this is all BS and they are quiet again. It's really a sad state of things that when leftists attack our side joins in on it instead of closing rank. You think these people would be more intellectually honest, but all they want to do is hamstring allen for an '08 race.

The most ludicrious thing i saw posted was people saying that we shouldn't nominate allen for this very reason, that dems are going to slime him worse than any other candidate and do we really want to deal with defending him every other week from a so called racist allegation. Pathetic. They all assume the media will be saints in regards to rudy romney and mccain. Rudy will be trashed as an adulterer who has nixonian tendencies and is the father of police brutality, mccain will be portrayed as a corrupt guy b/c of the keating five and that he's too crazy for the nuclear trigger, romney will be eviscerated as a flip flopper from massachusets whose church hates blacks.


80 posted on 09/27/2006 12:08:30 AM PDT by SDGOP
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