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General: What Constitutes ‘Outrages on Personal Dignity’?
American Forces Press Service ^ | Kathleen T. Rhem

Posted on 09/21/2006 6:20:48 PM PDT by SandRat

WASHINGTON, Sept. 21, 2006 – Detainee treatment and interrogation operations at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, are fully compliant with the Detainee Treatment Act and Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions -- at least as best as U.S. military leaders understand Common Article 3, the general with overall responsibility for operations there said yesterday.

Army Gen. Bantz J. Craddock, commander of U.S. Southern Command, said “outrages on personal dignity” -- outlawed by Common Article 3 -- is an overly ambiguous term that could lead to trouble for U.S. servicemembers trying to understand rules for interrogations.

“In the military, we like ‘tasks, conditions and standards,’” he said. “We need to know what it is we have to do, the conditions under which we do it, and we want to know the standard, the level of expertise required. What is it that we must reach?”

Craddock told a group of Pentagon reporters he’d like to see the article defined more clearly because “outrages on personal dignity” can mean different things to different people.

“I don’t know what an outrage on personal dignity is. It’s in the eye of the beholder,” he said. “Look, I pledged a fraternity. I felt I had some outrages on personal dignity, but others didn’t feel that way.”

A new Army field manual on interrogations, out earlier this month, provides specific techniques that are banned. Craddock said this type of specificity is helpful. “We don’t cross lines when we know where those lines are,” he said of military experts conducting interrogations at Guantanamo Bay. “And we’re trying to make sure the line is very clear and that we understand it.”

He likened banning outrages on personal dignity to saying speeding is illegal but not setting a speed limit. “To say, ‘Don’t speed,’ isn’t good enough,” Craddock said. “Give me a speed limit and tell me that under certain conditions -- rainy, wet, snow -- the speed limit’s ‘this.’ But just to say, ‘Don’t speed,’ … I don’t want to sign up for that.”

Military interrogators need to have a clear understanding of the rules so they don’t inadvertently break them and open themselves up to punishment or prosecution. “The notion that, ‘We don’t know how to define it, but we’ll know when it’s not right when we see it,’ is, I think, unacceptable,” Craddock said. “It puts our folks in harm’s way.”

U.S. Southern Command is responsible for U.S. military operations in Central and South America and the Caribbean. Craddock is slated to hand over reigns of the command in October. He has been nominated to command U.S. European Command and also to head NATO military operations. Navy Vice Adm. James G. Stavridis has been nominated for his fourth star and to replace Craddock at Southern Command.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: combatant; detainee; dignity; ghc; interrogation; outrages; personal; pow; rights; treatment

1 posted on 09/21/2006 6:20:49 PM PDT by SandRat
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To: 91B; HiJinx; Spiff; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; clintonh8r; TEXOKIE; windchime; Grampa Dave; ...

Good Question!


2 posted on 09/21/2006 6:21:11 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Well, for starters, cutting your head off.


3 posted on 09/21/2006 6:23:34 PM PDT by airborne (Fecal matter is en route to fan! Contact is imminent!)
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To: airborne

9/11/01 just for argument's sake.............


4 posted on 09/21/2006 6:29:31 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (FREE MEXICO - Repatriate the Refugees)
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To: SandRat
Being forced into a photo op with a detestable anti-military hypocrite with a penchant for using military officers as cocktail waiters and bag handlers-is an affront on personal dignity. Of course, our troops are trained in resistance techniques.


5 posted on 09/21/2006 6:31:19 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: SandRat
General: What Constitutes ‘Outrages on Personal Dignity’?

It's whatever the New York Times claims it is. Duh.

6 posted on 09/21/2006 6:32:11 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: SandRat
General: What Constitutes ‘Outrages on Personal Dignity’?

And since the Geneva Convention was written in 1949, we must ask, "What constituted outrages on personal dignity back then?"

7 posted on 09/21/2006 6:34:57 PM PDT by airborne (Fecal matter is en route to fan! Contact is imminent!)
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To: airborne

No Grey Poupon...


8 posted on 09/21/2006 6:40:45 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: SandRat

Strapping a person naked to a chair in the freezing cold and playing Red Hot Chili Peppers too loud just sounds like.....

A good party at North Dakota State University!


9 posted on 09/21/2006 6:40:45 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie ("We will slaughter anyone who calls Islam violent!")
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To: Brad Cloven
Don't forget the panties on the head (after the pantie raid).
10 posted on 09/21/2006 6:43:41 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: silverleaf

I always wonder if he did that on purpose or was simply out of nervous.


11 posted on 09/21/2006 6:44:09 PM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: SandRat

Well, I remember very clearly the pledge initiation week at my fraternity at the University of Colorado in 1954!!

One hell of a bunch of outrages against my personal dignity were perpertrated. Fortunately, I don't think
there was an ALCU back then or I may have been tempted to
call. But no permanent harm was done - and I actually look back on it as a character building experience.

As I recall, taken as an entire event, the outrages exceeded anything I have heard about happened in abu Grab.
It exceeded anything being discussed for the CIA to use
on guys that want to kill thousands of us.

The wussie leftists have destroyed the ability of this nation to protect itself.


12 posted on 09/21/2006 7:20:28 PM PDT by HardStarboard (Hey, march some more - its helping get the wall built!)
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To: HardStarboard
I remember very clearly the pledge initiation week at my fraternity at the University of Colorado in 1954!!

One hell of a bunch of outrages against my personal dignity were perpertrated. Fortunately, I don't think there was an ALCU back then

There was. The ACLU was founded in 1920.

From their website:

The ACLU was founded by Roger Baldwin, Crystal Eastman, Albert DeSilver and others in 1920".

what they didn't add was "to defend communists".

13 posted on 09/21/2006 9:08:44 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: SandRat

Having Democrats insult my intelligence by assuming since they consider me a "minority", that I can't make it on my own.


14 posted on 09/21/2006 10:22:22 PM PDT by art_rocks
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To: SandRat

How about the risk that I or my family may be killed by some deranged sand-maggot? I would think this would qualify.


15 posted on 09/22/2006 6:30:39 AM PDT by newcthem (Brought to you by the INFIDEL PARTY)
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To: paudio

Well, the guy was over there in Afghanistan to kill people who wanted to kill him first. Somehow I doubt that thunder thighs made him nervous. Besides, techniques of communicating duress when being photgraphed were made part of SERE training after the Vietnam War POW's used it extensively to try to communicate that they were being tortured.


16 posted on 09/22/2006 1:48:04 PM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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